Ezekiel & the Skyclock Using Elemental Thinking - Crrow777Radio - Episode #681 (Hour 1)

[00:00:07] Alright, man. Welcome to Crrow777 Radio. This is Hour 1 of Episode 681. Jason Lingren is with me and Wayne McRoy returns. We're going to cover some very interesting things that some of the topics we're going to hit on here are things that maybe I have looked at for the longest in my life because I've always had an interest in what's above my head and telescopes.

[00:00:27] We're going to touch on Ezekiel. We're going to correspond these things with what the Rosicrucians and other societies were saying back in the day though, not up into the modern day when they've become so infiltrated or whatever the right way to describe how fallen they've become is. And with that, we're going to break out some stars. We're going to correspond to the Gospel.

[00:00:50] And it's all quite interesting when you start to tap into what Ezekiel wrote, which was, I believe, the Ethiopian church includes Ezekiel with their holy canon, whereas the Catholic Church threw it out as far away from everyone as they could get it. And there's a reason for that. Here in Rhode Island, not too far from me in Newport is a big cathedral-looking place, and it's called St. George's.

[00:01:18] It came to be, I think, in 1889, and then around 1909, the states decided each state needed a high school, and that became a high school. But it's got a whole church part of it. It's a religious facility. But I went there years ago when I came back here, and when you walk down the aisle up to the altar, there in the tiled floor is the zodiac. And I took pictures of it. What would the zodiac be doing in a Catholic church?

[00:01:45] This is the thing. If you consider where is the roots of our spiritual endeavors, it's above our heads, most of it, a lot of it. And the church has kind of inverted it, so we think about down here as being the foundations for it all. But anyhow, welcome, Jason. And a very warm and pleasant good morning. Indeedy-doo. Welcome back, Wayne. And please tell folks where they can find you, your books, your stuff.

[00:02:11] Right. Thanks, guys, for having me back on. I could be found at my website, www.alchemicaltechrevolution.com. Everything's centralized there. Always a pleasure. Let's get underway here. All right. So we're going to start. Jason's going to read a little bit of correspondence from the Rosicrucian corner, specifically Steiner, that corresponds some of the encoded meanings.

[00:02:35] And it's by no means are the Rosicrucians the only people who have made this correspondence, because I've read it in at least three or four places that are not Rosicrucian. But the four Gospels, as everyone knows, is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. For people who have paid attention or studied, they recognize that three of those Gospels are called what they called synoptic. What that basically means is they see with one eye. Of course, there's an occult meaning your third eye is encoded into that.

[00:03:04] But the book of John is the odd man out. It is not synoptic. And that bears remembering. So, Jason, let's just quickly run down the four Gospels with the preface that Steiner laid down. Rudolf Steiner, the founder of Anthroposophy, interpreted the four Gospels not merely as historical documents,

[00:03:26] but as distinct esoteric spiritual accounts of the Christ event, often linking them to the four living creatures from Ezekiel's vision and later revelation. The man, the lion, the bull, and the eagle. So, it should be pointed out here that there are esoteric scriptures all the way through the Bible.

[00:03:49] For those who have read the devil's pulpit, I mean, you get it in spades up to the point where there's even a book where it's put forward. You couldn't read it if you wanted to because you're not initiated above the royal arch. You will never know what this means because you're not initiated. And this goes on and on. What Steiner is doing here is basically saying, I'm initiated from an ancient tradition or a very old tradition, and I'm going to tell you what we think these hidden meanings are or part.

[00:04:17] Maybe I should just say part of the hidden meanings. So, Jason's going to go through the four Gospels and uncover what the Rosicrucians had been hiding for so long, part of it. Steiner taught that these four creatures represent different aspects of the Christ being and map to the unique spiritual perspectives of each evangelist. Matthew, the man, angel humanity.

[00:04:42] This Gospel deals with the human lineage of Jesus and highlights the law of 42, generations, and the preparation of the human physical body. It emphasizes Christ as the culmination of human wisdom and lineage. Mark, the lion. This Gospel portrays the Christ as a dynamic, powerful force, emphasizing authority and courage.

[00:05:08] It is characterized by a sublime simplicity and a dramatic, fast-paced narrative. Luke, the bull. Sacrificial calf. This Gospel emphasizes the selfless devotion, sacrificial love, and healing strength of Christ, often linked to the stream of the Buddha. It represents the compassionate, nurturing aspect of the Christ. John, the eagle.

[00:05:36] This Gospel represents the highest spiritual insight, cosmic wisdom, and the soaring understanding of the Christ as the Logos. It deals with the deepest mysteries and the divine, cosmic nature of Christ. All right, so as we get going here, you've heard the correspondence for the four Gospels. And again, the Rosicrucians are not the only people who said this was what was encoded in there.

[00:06:02] You should have automatically recognized that Matthew is the man that is symbolizing what we call the constellation Aquarius in the Zodiac. The other zodiacal sign for Mark is the lion, which is Leo the lion. The zodiacal sign for Luke is the bull, or Taurus the bull. And the odd man out John, the one Gospel that is not synoptic, is where it gets a little dicey because he is the eagle.

[00:06:27] Now, many people who have been decoding this on their own might get confused and think the eagle is the constellation Aquila. It is not. Aquila is not even in the Zodiac. It is actually an aspect of the scorpion or Scorpio. So, from past work that I've done, you should recognize that we know darn well that where the autumnal equinox happens in the sign of the scales was added later.

[00:06:53] And that means not only that sign was messed with, but it also means the scorpion was messed with. I can't describe or explain exactly why all that was done, but I can tell you that we know it for a fact. If you go into the sign of the scales, you will find two stars. Let me see if I can remember. Zubinel Shanubi and Zubinel Shamali.

[00:07:16] I probably just butchered that, but basically when you do the translation in the sign of Libra, you find the southern claw of the scorpion and the northern claw of the scorpion, proving that something was changed there. Getting back to the book of John, the eagle is the risen or spiritually, you know, spiritual efforts have risen the energies. It's no longer the crawling scorpion. It is the lofty eagle. So, there's quite a bit going on there.

[00:07:44] So, Wayne, do you want to add anything into that before we get into your table? Yeah, I'm going to add that in the Gospel of John, this is the one gospel that is not considered to be synoptic like the others, and you describe that fairly well. It's as if looking at it with one eye, whereas when you get the perspective of John here, the eagle, you're seeing this concept with both eyes.

[00:08:06] So, you have encapsulated in that both the figure or symbol of the eagle as well as the scorpion, the dual nature involved with all of that. And you see a similar take when you look at Matthew, the man, and it breaks down into angel slash humanity, according to this system as laid down by Steiner. And this is because you'll see that part of this has to do with Pisces as well as Aquarius.

[00:08:32] So, there's the dual nature aspect again, and this is about the elevation of man to an almost angelic type state as far as his evolutionary process is stepping up into the spiritual, and Christ as the culmination of that, according to what has been laid down here. So, you have, once again, even though this is a synoptic gospel, you're getting a vantage point of both ends of the polarity, much like you do from John. So, it's looking at it from the spiritualized perspective.

[00:09:00] So, you have that kind of crossover and tie over into it as well. And I would also just like to point out that I've successfully made Crow say Zubin Alshinuvi. So, that's always a goal of mine for some reason. I think I actually got that one close. I'm pretty sure I messed up the other one. Whatever. I just find those unpronounceable names of the stars interesting, and I always just chuckle at them for some reason.

[00:09:25] Well, way back in the day when we were looking at things like the equinoxes and trying to work out what was what, I happened to live in a state that has maybe the oldest library in the country. I went there and I took some pictures of some zodiacal renderings. What was interesting, and I shared them, they're in the forum somewhere. What was interesting about it was all the constellations in the zodiac were in these thick lines with the stars all labeled.

[00:09:54] But when I got to the scales, it looked like the lines were different. They were thinner. You know, clearly there was a difference. So, at what point that was done, we have an idea. But what we don't know is, was it done to mess with us and make it hard for us to use the energetic systems above our head, which I think is part of why it was done. Or is it that we needed these energies divided in the way we see them now? We needed the idea of justice.

[00:10:24] It's hard to dismiss that idea because places like all the secret societies have the two pillars, which are often the equinoxes, and the sign we're talking about is the fall equinox. So, let's just quickly address that, Wayne, and then let's go into the table here and outline the correspondences for each of the Gospels. Okay, we can definitely address that. So, once again, this crosses the bounds of different symbolism that's present in all these different systems.

[00:10:53] And one of the primary places you'll find that, of course, is Freemasonry, where we have the two pillars, as you've alluded to there, Crow. We have Joaquin and Boaz, which represent the equinoxes. And, of course, we also will always have ever-present in a lot of their boards, the symbolic boards they put up. You'll see the sun and the moon, and you'll also see a third body there as well.

[00:11:16] So, these correspond to a lot of different principles that cross the bounds in symbology relating to this very concept. And this is all part and parcel of what is really imbued within Ezekiel's vision. So, if we want to look at the zodiacal aspect of this, this corresponds to certain planets. So, Crow, I think you have a good breakdown as to these different planets or stars or combination thereof of both.

[00:11:46] That are encoded in each of these figures that are seen by Ezekiel. Okay, let's first, just let me try to lay down why this matters. It is my point of view that the powers that be inverted damn near everything they could. And they did it so they could control people. We know for a fact through places like Steiner, and there are other places, but I do not know.

[00:12:10] I can't reference them, but I know there are other places that informed us that the so-called planet Mercury and the so-called planet Venus were swapped, intentionally swapped, by initiated masters because it was so powerful for someone to be able to deduce when certain energies were occurring down to the second they felt the need to shuffle the board.

[00:12:36] What I don't know for sure, and Wayne and I talked about it, is did they just swap the names or did they actually swap the planets in everywhere it's written? It looks like maybe just the names, but it really doesn't matter. What matters is there's your proof that people knew darn well that the sky clock energies can be used to such great effect that they needed to obscure it so people couldn't figure it out and benefit. You want to add anything up, Wayne?

[00:13:05] I think maybe we should read what Steiner had to say about that as we have the quote right here. According to Steiner, and he gave this in a lecture series titled The Apocalypse of St. John, and we have the lecture number three is when this was given, June 20th, 1908 in Nuremberg. He said, quote, Here I come to a point where a little secret, so to say, must be unveiled, one which may only be divulged at this point.

[00:13:32] The teachers of spiritual wisdom have always had what might be called a mask for those who would only have misused it, especially in bygone times. They did not express themselves directly, but presented something which was intended to conceal the true state of affairs. Now the esotericism of the Middle Ages resorted to drastic measures and called Mercury Venus and Venus Mercury.

[00:13:55] In truth, if we wish to speak esoterically, as the writer of the Apocalypse has done, we must speak of Mercury as the morning star. By the morning star, he meant Mercury. I have given the direction upwards to thine eye or ego to the morning star to Mercury. You may still find in certain books of the Middle Ages which describe the true state of affairs that the outer stars of our planetary system are enumerated thus. Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Earth.

[00:14:24] And then comes, not as it is now, Venus, Mercury, but the reverse Mercury, Venus. Yes. Therefore, it says here, even as I received of my father and I will give him the morning star. And that's in Revelation 2, 27 and 28. And that's the end of the quote from Steiner. So there's more, I mean, you can see how much has gone into this because now he's pointed out a similar thing that we find when we look at the devil's pulpit, right?

[00:14:52] There are code words or there are phrases that an initiated person would instantly recognize, oh, it says morning star. I know that's actually Mercury. Where the rest of the world knows that Venus, the light bringer, the idea for Lucifer, which is not necessarily the planet, by the way, all the time, is referred to when it rises in the morning. It's called the morning star. Venus is when it's setting in the evening. It's called the evening star.

[00:15:20] So you can see kind of how well hidden this is to the point where if someone didn't tap you on the shoulder and say, you know, if you're ever reading the Bible and it says morning star, it's not Venus. You would have no way to know. Absolutely. And this inversion principle has been applied across the board in all sorts of esoteric ways. Just look at this principle that you're talking about that relates the planet Venus to Lucifer. Well, the real correspondence is Mercury to Lucifer.

[00:15:48] So that tells you a little something about the character of Lucifer, because Mercury is the trickster. Lucifer is the trickster. So this isn't the same lofty thing that's presented within Freemasonry as the concept of Lucifer. So if you keep that in mind, you see how the inversion principle in modern occultism has been applied and how a lot of this stuff that's been brought forward is really misinterpreted. And it's the obverse or reverse of what was originally intended within it.

[00:16:16] And this has all been obfuscated on purpose by those select few who've positioned themselves into the topmost layers of these secret society groups to maintain power and knowledge over others as to how to use and apply these energetic principles. So consider this way to illustrate it before we jump into the table. Fake like you're an old alchemist back in the day and someone you love is sick and you're trying to make an alchemical remedy like a wreck-a-wag, but you're doing it old school.

[00:16:43] You started in the spring when alchemical procedures usually start. Now, when you look at the information, and if you didn't know what we just read, the gospel of Luke in the bowl, which is Taurus, representing Earth in the east, has the planet and season of Venus. But you see what we just said? They swapped things.

[00:17:05] So if you were trying to time things, paying attention to the timing of the sky clock, you would, as an example, which isn't true, but I'm going to use it so you can visualize it. You're waiting for Venus to go into the sign of Taurus at some degree, when in fact you're looking at the wrong planet. And you're thinking, well, that's ridiculous. That's hocus pocus, but it isn't. When do the dew drops in Rhode Island bloom? Well, they're first. The sky clock ensures they're first. And you know what?

[00:17:34] The crocus come right behind them. And as that's going on, here comes the daffodils. When the daffodils are done, here comes the tulips. That is one sliver of the realities of things coming to fruit, coming to flower, all foods, all things that grow, and all the things that require to eat those things that grow, just to try to illustrate the point. Did I get it there, Wayne, or would you add anything?

[00:17:59] The only thing I would add is this is one of the reasons why trying to understand alchemical texts and grimoires is so difficult. Because if you're performing an alchemical process, like you said, if you're trying to make a medicinal or something and you're looking for Venus to be in a certain sign, you're looking at the wrong planet. You're looking at the wrong energy. So you're not doing the process or performing the alchemical work in the correct way, and you're not going to get the correct result.

[00:18:26] So this is one of those things that's been obfuscated by the secret society groups and stuff through the course of time. And we see how it could most definitely have an effect, even for somebody who thinks they know the secrets. And this is one of the things that is most concerning, because even those who think they know the secrets and how it's done oftentimes find themselves misled and can't, for some reason, explain why they've failed in their process.

[00:18:52] Well, this is exactly why, because you're interpreting the symbol the wrong way or the energetic principle the wrong way. Well, there's one more level of obfuscation, which makes it all even worse than we've described. The Catholic Church took it upon itself to inform you that the sky clock is evil. The zodiac is evil. Anyone who pays attention to those things is a pagan. You want to know something? There's a quote in the world, and it's true because I know people who lived in those circles.

[00:19:21] They don't use allopathic medicine, and they use astrology. Those rich people, they use Recoegg-like remedies as their medicine, what we used to have before about the 1930s. And they use the energies of the sky clock to time all the things they want to do. Well, why would they do that if there aren't energies that actually exist that can further what they're doing? And it just doesn't have to be with banking or money.

[00:19:51] It's for everything, for health, for food, for everything. Those energies are, in fact, what's making our world do what our world does. But let's get into the gospel and do the correspondences, Wayne. How do you want to do it? We'll do the table. Let's break them down one at a time, starting with Matthew. All right. So, the apostle and the gospel of Matthew is symbolized by the man.

[00:20:15] That man corresponds to the zodiacal sign of Aquarius, the water bearer, which is a human being. The element and the compass would be the air is the element, and south is the direction. The planet and season assigned to Matthew, the man, is Saturn and winter. And those two things have a close correspondence because those things happen in the winter. The zodiacal sign is Aquarius.

[00:20:44] The evolutionary phase is Earth. And the human body attribute is dense and physical. Go ahead, Wayne. Okay. Well, I'll point out an important concept here. When we're looking at the planetary correspondence and the seasonal correspondence, it is Saturn and wintertime. This is the archetype of pure potentiality here.

[00:21:08] So, this is what is incorporated into this whole gospel of Matthew idea as him relating to man. It's about man's potentiality, about his evolutionary stepping up into this next process through which we will spiritually elevate. So, it's all dormant right now. And that's the whole point that comes across here.

[00:21:29] In the current iteration of things, that potentiality is dormant until such point as we step up in that next phase through, well, things that are coming in the very near future here. We're beginning to see this crossover, this switching of the ages as it's been predicted. And we're going to be stepping into the sign of Aquarius. Right now, we have one foot in Pisces and one foot in Aquarius, according to the systems that they've laid down here.

[00:21:56] So, we haven't reached that elevation point, that fulfillment that was reached by Christ. And this is the first fruits of this spiritual reawakening of mankind in this elevation process that's coming. So, we haven't gotten there yet. We still have one foot in the old world and one foot in the new world to come. And this is the whole point. And a lot of this has been leveraged by those people in positions of power in this world.

[00:22:21] And they've attempted to invert this process to trap man in a mere dense physical state as encapsulated here in the book of Matthew. So, this has all kinds of different correspondences. And, of course, there's evolutionary phases involved with this according to the Rosicrucian system. And we are in the Earth period right now as they have it laid out in the Rosicrucian Cosmo conception. So, we're just past the very bottom point of dense physicality where we should be on the ascendant now.

[00:22:51] But those people in positions of power in this world, those dark occultists who seem to be leveraging a lot of this, they want to keep us trapped in this physical nature. Whereas, if you look at the natural process, how it's supposed to go, we should be stepping up into a more etheric paradigm. And this is of utmost importance in the current state of things. And I can't emphasize that point enough. Looking lately at the whole etheric concept and the concept of the etheric portion of this reality.

[00:23:21] Well said. And what they did worked because I can show you plenty of people whose work I admire that will tell you we're in the sign of Aquarius now. How is it that with something as big as an era shift, an age change, we don't know the hour, the day, the minute? How is that? Well, this is why. Because people obscured it. So, we're going to move on to the Gospel of Mark.

[00:23:46] The assigned animal is the lion, which corresponds to the zodiacal constellation Leo the lion. The element is fire and the compass direction is north. The planet is the sun. Remember back when I covered the spiritual hierarchies. Maybe I'll do that again in a minute. That hierarchy of spiritual energies is referred to as the powers around the sun. Anyhow, the season for Mark is summer.

[00:24:15] Makes sense, right? Matthew was Saturn in the winter. Mark is the sun and summer. The zodiacal sign, as I said, is Leo the lion. And the evolutionary phase is the moon. The attribute to the human body is etheric and soul. Do you want to add anything to that, Wayne? I would just like to add that this is probably one of the more important correspondences we can look at at this point. It's because of the nature of this etheric portion of things.

[00:24:45] This is the important concept. Because if you look at the Rosicrucian system, it kind of operates in a stepping down process to the lowest point, which is the dense physical, which is where we're at. We're just past that halfway point. And we should be on the ascendant again. So, the next upward step, this happens in seven steps through the four different worlds as described in the Rosicrucian system.

[00:25:05] So, we've stepped down into dense physicality, and the next step up would put us back to where our etheric senses become online once again and become incorporated with the individualized dense physical self. And that's where in the importance lies. So, looking at Mark right now as one of the Gospels to focus on, I think is important for us in order to understand coming things.

[00:25:30] So, this is once again corresponding to this Rosicrucian process with the evolutionary phase. Now, we're stepping from Earth to the next step, which they call the Jupiter period or the Jupiter revolution. And this is wherein things become muddled. Now, you can't think of this in terms of the planetary body. This is where people become so confused with these various occult systems.

[00:25:55] They're talking about a correspondence that's entirely different, but it does have a type of energetic principle attached to the planetary body it's named after. But they're not one and the same thing. So, this Jupiter revolution that we'll be stepping into has a lot of similar correspondences to the old moon period of the Rosicrucian system.

[00:26:17] And that's wherein we can understand maybe some things that we'll see, although they do point out in the Rosicrucian system it will be entirely different than what the initial moon phase was or moon period was because of the nature of things. How it always evolves and adds something new to the mix. But we can understand some things. We'll know that physical conditions on this Earth will change at that point. They'll be different than what we're used to right now, much as has happened in the past.

[00:26:45] If you look back through the various secret society teachings about Atlantis or the precursor to that, which was actually when the moon period stepped over into the Earth period, Lemuria. The landscape was different. The physical conditions here were different than they are now. Completely and entirely different. And this is why we have so many anomalies in the historical record and the archaeological record of things.

[00:27:12] Because we don't truly understand what conditions were like at that point. And the only evidences we have of that are those given by the secret schools. So we could expect similar things in the upcoming days here. Now, I don't know exactly what this looks like or how quickly all this will manifest. It's a very slow process, as we can see. So it's a gradual type thing going on. But we should begin to experience the reapplication of our etheric senses.

[00:27:41] Man will be able to detect more things that we once hadn't been able to detect here in the past that we're used to in this current iteration of mankind. So our spiritual senses will be coming more online and we'll be able to know some more things. I think it's important as we're going through this, if you have any desire to look at any of this to see if it's meaningful. Everything up there to me is conscious and alive.

[00:28:10] For that matter, there is no dead matter. Even a particle of a rock to me is not dead matter. By the time this episode comes out, you'll have heard what we did with Bibbu Dev Misra.

[00:28:22] And I was so impressed with his correspondence of a comet with a flagella, like you might find on a bacteria or a plankton, to the point where in his paper, he showed the tails of comet and he showed the motion of flagellas, instantly proving that this is form and function in nature that we have here. We've seen it. And look, that looks very similar. But let's move on here to the Gospel of Luke. The animal is the bull. The element is earth.

[00:28:51] The compass direction is east. The planet, is it Mercury or is it Venus? Well, this is the thing. It's supposed to be Venus in spring. But remember, the Rosicrucians admitted that way back secret societies swapped the names. Although he does imply at the end of that that it's been swapped back now. But who knows for sure? Anyhow, moving on. Luke's zodiacal sign is Taurus the bull. The evolutionary phase is the sun.

[00:29:20] And the body, or how can I better put that? I guess I'll have to use it. The body attribute is astral and spirit. Go ahead, Wayne. Just to clarify how this breaks down. Of course, this applies from the Rosicrucian system as well. Now, we have this correspondent. Matthew is the dense physical body. That's the body that we're all familiar with. This material world body of our five senses. The etheric body represents the soul. And the soul and the spirit are different things.

[00:29:50] The astral body represents the spirit. And then, of course, when we get to John, this is where it all ties together. And this is about the individuation process of man, how we've evolved down, and why we've had to take this stepping down process into the dense physical in order to be individualized consciousnesses within the greater consciousness. And all things are conscious, and this is essentially what we see across all of these various teachings.

[00:30:19] And I do find that to be true, even as you were saying about that gentleman that broke down the correspondence between a comet and the flagella of like a bacterium or something like that. Same kind of thing going on. As above, so below. These are all the hermetic correspondences in play. So, what's been done here is we have all these symbolological correspondences being made to these different gospel writers. So, now we're looking at Luke, which is represented by Taurus, by Bull. The Bull.

[00:30:49] This is the sacrificial portion of the reconceptualization, the reconnection, the reconciliation of man with God. It's all about giving up this dense physicality for something more spiritual. That's what it's about, and this corresponds to the astral body. This is something that you experience in your spirit. So, that's where a lot of this correspondence comes in.

[00:31:15] And we do have that concerning bit where is the planet associated with that correct? Is it Venus or is it Mercury? Have they just changed the names or have they completely swapped the energetic principles altogether? This is where confusion and obfuscation comes in with a lot of this stuff and keeps us really from knowing the true lay of the land. So, we have those correspondences going across the board. And we see what's been done here with that of getting us off track.

[00:31:44] And, of course, most people think of this stuff as hokum or nonsense at this point in the modern world. But there's importance there. And we're showing, we're demonstrating in a real sense that all of these different ideas, these archetypes are bound up in these various different locations throughout the course of literature. Whether it be the apocalyptic literature, the religious context, the zodiacal signs, the correspondences in the sky clock, the seasons, the elements.

[00:32:11] All of these things are bound up in the same thing. And you'll always find there's this representation of four different aspects of the natural world. And this is all encompassed in the Gospels and actually points to the Christ event. And this Christ event is of utmost importance because it's all about going into this next step as human beings, reaching our true potential as what we're intended to be as human beings in this place.

[00:32:38] So there's another aspect of this that, like when we say Luke is associated with the bull, you can find writings where it implies that the way the actual character Luke acted was bullish. Remember way back in some past episode we did, I asked the simple question, what came first, bullishness or bulls? It's that idea. But this table that we're breaking down proves a very important thing.

[00:33:04] It proves that the highest informed people following the Christian tradition never lost what the people were handed because it's talking about the astral body. If you go over to the East in a tradition, you'll find that there's different spiritual bodies. If I can even remember in some sects of Buddhism, one of them would be Nirmana Kaya, Dharma Kaya.

[00:33:30] I can't really remember, but there are these spiritual aspects which come into play for somebody seeking a spiritual path and to elevate their spiritual stance. This table proves that we didn't really get it in Sunday school, but there were people who were initiated who were told about these things.

[00:33:53] And it is my point of view that the era we're going into, people will no longer laugh at these things and call it pagan and act like it's evil. They'll begin to realize what we're talking about is part of the creation. The creation is not just what I see out my window. It's everything I can see. And all of the energies in this creation are here for us. We're the spiritual beings here. But let's keep moving.

[00:34:18] We're on to the Gospel of John, as has been said so many times, the one of the four Gospels that is not synoptic or seen with one eye. The animal is the eagle. This actually corresponds with the zodiacal sign of the scorpion, as I explained earlier, in the lower reality, before you've elevated spiritually. It's represented by that creeping, stinging beast.

[00:34:44] In the book, Devil's Pulpit, they call it the worm. And they say all these bad things about the scorpion. They use that to encode negative ideas. This is the schooled and spiritually ascended version, the eagle for John. The element is water. The compass direction is west. The planet is Mars. The season is autumn. And as I said before, the zodiacal sign is actually the scorpion.

[00:35:11] Many people get confused and try to make the eagle be the constellation of the eagle. Achilles, or what the heck's the name of it, Wayne? I can't think of it. The sign of the eagle, which is not zodiacal. Anyhow, John's evolutionary phase is Saturn. And the body attribute is mental, ego, and that is corresponded with I am. Wayne?

[00:35:36] Okay, well, this mental body or ego, the I am within man, this is the individuated self, the individuated consciousness. And it's necessary, it was necessary for us to achieve this individuated consciousness through this stepping down process through the various phases of evolution as given here in the Rosicrucian system. So it all started with this Saturn phase and then stepped forward to the sun and then the moon

[00:36:03] and then the current Earth phase, which, as I said, we're in the bottom most place now, just stepping out of that bottom most place towards this elevation back towards something more akin to the moon period again. But this will be different. This is actually going to be what they call the Jupiter period, where you have some of the same correspondences from the old moon system that they give. And I know this could be somewhat confusing for people if you're not familiar with this

[00:36:29] way of thinking, but the Rosicrucian system gives a very good description of this. It's all about the involution process. That's where we've been up until just a very short time ago, until about 2,000 years ago with the Christ event. This was all part of the involution process. We're in the virgin spirit stepping down from the spiritual realms to achieve individuation here in the dense physical came to be.

[00:36:56] And now we're on the ascendant again, where we're going to maintain that individuated self, that individuated I am within man, but still have this connection back to source. This is what the ultimate destiny of mankind has been all along. This is what the natural process has had in place. But there are those that are seeking to usurp that. And that's the concerning thing. But at any rate, this is what is supposed to be. And this is what will be for a portion of us.

[00:37:25] And there will be some other correspondences that happen as a relation to the things that those that want to usurp this process have in mind. So there's this whole concept of the I am within man. This is the self, the ego. They like to use the term ego in a lot of the occult systems to describe this. But that's all part and parcel of this fourfold body that we have right now. We have the dense physical body, the etheric body, the astral body, and the mental body,

[00:37:54] also known as the devicanic body or corresponding to what they call the devicanic plane in the Rosicrucian system and some of the other systems. And they all interpenetrate one another. This is all part of the visible worlds and what's corresponded in the invisible worlds. And the vast majority, three quarters of what we experience is in the invisible worlds.

[00:38:17] This is so important because we only have about 25% view of how things operate in this reality. So when we keep this in mind, the vast majority of the machinations of how things work, we don't see in the dense physical in the world of the five senses here. So you need to think in other ways for understanding why and how things really happen in this world.

[00:38:42] And a lot of these correspondences are about these energetic influences that affect things. And this is the important thing because this affects us from the invisible worlds, the spiritual worlds. And these have been described in the past by many of the occultists and the alchemists and various types as the elementals or the concept of elementals. These are actual intelligent conscious forces that work in this world to bring things to manifestation.

[00:39:09] It's not all a dead entity like our modern science would like for us to believe. And Michael Hoffman always uses the term of the concept. It's the reign of dead matter. And that is a very apt way of thinking because that's what these people in positions of power want us to perceive the world as. This reign of dead matter, this world of dead entities, corporation, if you want to get into that type of ideology. It's all in their very language.

[00:39:39] It's all death-based ideas. And nothing could be further from the truth. There's life everywhere, ever-present consciousness, ever-present in all things. And they don't want us to understand that because when we do, then we have that more spiritual attachment and path that we need to achieve our full potentiality as human beings. And they're trying to usurp that. There's a group in this world that's trying to usurp that and bring about what Rudolf Steiner

[00:40:07] describes as the eighth sphere or what the hermeticists describe as the world of shells. It's this reign of dead matter that Michael Hoffman talks about. That's most certainly the importance of this. We need to understand the spiritual side of it. And that's why we're actually taking this on right now because there's so much important symbology bound up in Ezekiel's vision that goes beyond just this physical realm. So this is, in fact, the death-based system. And I'll try to demonstrate it like this.

[00:40:36] What's happened to us, one way I can describe it, is we've been made two-thirds blind. The systems that we're laying down are about energies. These energies are how the creation functions, plain and simple. If you come into a system and you don't know how it functions, what can you do in that system? In this system, most of us have been made two-thirds blind. How do I know that? Because people like the alchemists or these secret societies that were initiated with things that we were never allowed to know,

[00:41:06] they broke down everything in this creation by three, representing the spiritual triad. But they saw body, spirit, and soul. And they proved it. Alchemically, they broke down anything that you can find here into these three constituent parts. This was the basis for real medicine. Well, what science did was they ignored the spirit and soul. And they said, if it's not body, we don't care.

[00:41:34] If it can't be weighed, there's your death-based system. The absolute segregation from spirit and soul or those ideas. And as I describe it, we are two-thirds blind because what we've been shown is the body. What we've been told most of us doesn't exist is the spirit and the soul. And does this matter? Well, here's an example. In the movie Ben-Hur, which was a big deal in its day, and of course, it's biblically based,

[00:42:02] the chariot race is remembered by everybody as one of the miraculous scenes ever filmed. Pay attention next time you see that film to the four white horses Ben-Hur is to drive because they are named after the four royal stars. Well, why would that be? Would they name them that if this stuff didn't matter? If we go back to what we just broke down where Matthew's the man, Mark's the lion, Luke's the bull, and John is Scorpio, it goes further than that.

[00:42:31] There are so-called royal stars, which I just attributed through the movie Ben-Hur. And by the way, there's a little change in how they name them in Ben-Hur, which is a big deal. Are they referring to a different age? What are they doing there? So if we go and we break it down, Leo the lion has Regulus as its big blue bright star, sometimes called the heart of the lion. The bull is Aldebaran.

[00:43:00] The heart of the scorpion would be Antares. And these are special stars and they're broken down in different ways. What's interesting, and this is why I consider sometimes if the constellations have been shuffled, because we know Aquarius is here, how do we know it? Go do a search right now for stone pillars that were made by the Catholic Church that have the face of a man, a lion, a bull, and an eagle on it. They encoded in stone all over the place what we're talking about here.

[00:43:29] But that other star that doesn't show up in Aquarius like we might expect it to is found very nearby in the southern fish of the two fishes of Pisces called Fomalhot. This goes on and on, and what we're basically talking about is where are the energies coming from? What makes this place function? Why do my dew drops bloom first? Why are the tulips later? Why are my apples ready at this time of year, but my grapes are this time of year?

[00:43:57] There's these old quotes that the people like Paracelsus, who were supposed to be the most amazing healers ever known, would say things like, those who think, you know, apples come due at this time of year and know nothing of grapes. They would make fun and little jokes like this because we're completely blind to the workings, to the systems, and how that can be applied to spiritual elevation. All right, Wayne, where do you want to go? Oh, let me see if I forgot something here.

[00:44:27] No, I covered that. I covered that. And I'm serious. Do a search for the stone pillars that are encoded by the Catholic Church, basically, for constellations of the zodiac. In the same way, when I opened, what in the middle of an aisle going up to the altar, why is the zodiac at St. George's tiled into the floor? This used to happen all over the place, but it's been scrubbed to a great degree. I'll just add to all of that, that there's another good place where you can look to find

[00:44:56] a little more context into a lot of what we're talking about. It's a book called The Light of Egypt. And I know you've talked about it in the past, bro. But this actually incorporates some more of the symbolic elements here. And you could know some more things about the energies inherent in all of that by looking at that book. And I actually did a series of podcasts about that on my own, on my own show, The Alchemical Tech Revolution, that talked about this.

[00:45:22] And I call it advanced hermeneutics, because this applies the alchemy key to a lot of the scriptures in the Bible and a lot of different elements here, like we're doing right now with the zodiac. And with the different gospels. So you can break this down on a level of different meanings. There's at least seven different meanings that could be interpreted from any Bible verse. And I would argue just about anything else, especially when you're looking at symbology.

[00:45:48] So it's all a matter of what kind of a cipher or key are you using to decode this? And The Light of Egypt lays down some of these astrological concepts that's applied to this in a very good way. So people could look there if they want to find out more about that as well. It's a fantastic read. And if you have an interest in things like this, it's a great read. Part of the problem for living in the time we do being brought up as I was in the Christian tradition is we're basically told everything we're talking about is evil.

[00:46:18] It has nothing to do with nothing. All you got to do is believe in this and you're good. You got the e-ticket. And by the way, don't appreciate the sun. That's evil. And all of this programming, which has completely separated us from all of this knowledge that would better inform us, how does this place actually work? Why is this happening now? Why is this not happening now?

[00:46:44] If we look at what NASA has put forward in the modern age, we get a solar system with orbits. That's the dead matter. That's the two-thirds blind view. That's how people think that don't have very good vision because someone has purposely thrown mud in their eye. Now, is it the truth? Whether or not it is the truth, there are other sources of information like this in books like

[00:47:11] Egypt, like Steiner, like the old Rosicrucian, like the Christian scientists, like the Christian mystics. They put forward this idea that those orbits are actually spiritual hierarchies. So when you leave where we are, what we call earth, and you go up, the next thing in the hierarchy is the moon. That area is the spiritual realm of what they called angels.

[00:47:37] Beyond that, from the moon to Venus would be archangels, would be the spiritual hierarchy. Beyond that, to Mercury would be what's called archai, although there are other names for each of those things depending on the era and the tradition. The ones I am using were chosen by a Christian so that Christian people could appreciate the resonance of the words he chose.

[00:48:05] From Mercury to the sun or the area of the sun, referred to as the powers. From the sun out to Mars was the mites, like mighty. Remember that Mars is often the warrior. From Mars to Jupiter was the dominions. Also realize that these words that are labeled, like Jupiter, have all these other meanings, and it even comes into our language. Like when you're happy, what are you? You're jovial.

[00:48:34] Jupiter comes from Jove. Jovial comes from that. It is a positive idea. But guess what? The other side has also had their way because there are those who would break down the word Jupiter to the Jew Peter. And on and on we go. Two sides to every coin. From Jupiter out to Saturn is called the thrones. That's spiritual hierarchy.

[00:49:01] Beyond that are the starfields, the cherubim, the seraphim. There's a few. And the top of that hierarchy, I think it's seraphim, Wayne. Do you remember? Is seraphim the top power in the hierarchy? I believe so. According to some systems, it's seraphim, and some of them say cherubim. Right. They're inverted in a lot of places. More obfuscation that's gone on. But I just want to point out an important element to this that you had just discussed there in the previous little mantra you were just given about all of this.

[00:49:30] There's an importance to the moon as being this next kind of spiritual hierarchy area. This is equated by many of the occultists to the etheric. And that's wherein we're stepping next, according to this system of evolution as laid down by the Rosicrucians. We'll be stepping back into that. Thus, the importance of them once again doing this whole moonshot idea. You see how it's all occult at its very core in nature all the time?

[00:49:59] It's all about the hidden invisible realms of things. So why do you think they're pushing now after 50 plus years of not going back to the moon, allegedly, or anything like that? Why are they all of a sudden talking about doing moon bases and everything else and then stepping off, going towards Mars, which may have been another thing that's been obfuscated in many ways or inverted in their symbology. But that's a topic for another day.

[00:50:25] But at any rate, this is why the importance, the push, the physical push of the moon ideology for people, because that's where we're supposed to be heading next. But it's a spiritual idea. It's part of the spiritual hierarchy. It's about our spiritual senses coming online and aligning with that. But they're trying to turn it into a physical thing, much like the whole idea of evolution itself was transformed from a spiritual concept into a physical concept or the introduction of Darwinian evolution.

[00:50:53] It's the same idea going on. It's all about applying an objective form or material based thing, a consumer product, if you will, to a spiritual idea. It's all about the quantification of it in a physical sense so that they could control the way in which it presents itself to the minds of men. And this is where it's important to not lose sight of the spiritual component of this. And they would like for us very much to do so.

[00:51:22] So we're coming up to the top of the hour. We're getting ready to take a short break. But there's one thing that I'd like to put forward here. And I've noticed it is a huge stumbling block in my life and my educations and my life as a Christian in Sunday school. Almost everything taught me that we live in a linear world, not a cyclical world, which to me is exactly backwards. They also instilled in me everything's black and white. And that is the one thing that I think messes with people.

[00:51:51] In the same way, I can show you that Jupiter has this positive in astrology. It's almost always positive. And we get the word jovial, happy. But as I mentioned before, there's two sides to every coin. And this is where the black or white thinking process gets us stuck. Every single thing we just said might be described in a slightly different way by a different tradition

[00:52:15] or sect or even individuals who wanted to encode the information so they could only understand their way. You have to open your mind to the point where you can collect information and winnow it away so that what is valuable to you, you can latch on to. Even if that source of information walks in and says something you absolutely know is not true, like the world is this shape. And then they say these other things.

[00:52:43] A lot of us say, well, he blew it in the open. I won't listen to a word. They've thrown the baby out with the bathwater. And I think that's a critical idea to put out there because I can prove in nature that everything is not black and white. Where does hot become cold? Can you give me the exact point where hot becomes cold? You can't do it. And the reason you can't do it is because someone would arbitrarily choose at what point we start calling things hot

[00:53:13] and at what point we start calling things cold. But everybody knows if they get burned, hot is real. Or if they're freezing, cold is real. There's a real world experience that proves that there are very subtle gradations. And it also proves that it's duality. Hot is very different from cold. But they're like two sides of the same coin. Anyhow, Wayne, why don't you tell folks one more time before we break where they can find you, your books, and everything?

[00:53:43] All right. Well, just to point out what you're saying, this is the difference between the subjective and the objective. It's a polarity. And all things fall in that category. At what point does something become an objective truth rather than a subjective truth? These are things that can't easily be explained or quantified. But anyway, people can find me at www.alchemicaltechrevolution.com. Always a pleasure here, gentlemen. See you on Hour 2. All right. Hour 1 is free to everybody at crow777radio.com.

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