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[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to the Alchemical Tech Revolution and I am your host, Wayne McRoy.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Good evening, good morning wherever you are around the world tonight. We're going to discuss

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the Secret Space Program and The Legend of Alternative 3. Now there has been much conjecture

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: in the past about what is known as the Secret Space Program and there may be multiple Secret

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Space Programs and the very nature of space itself is open for debate and for question

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: because we are not given a true or accurate picture of what space really is or what it really

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: looks like. The information about the nature of space itself is heavily controlled by a very

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_04]: small group of people in this world. They are the holders of the gateway to this notion of

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: space. These Secret Space Programs have existed in many different forms throughout the course of time

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: here and we could debate all day long as to what secrets these space programs hold

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and what the true nature of them is, but we're going to look at some interesting context

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: here because we're going to go back into the historical account and we're going to look back

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: the Nazi programs pertaining to space studies and we're going to look at The Legend of what has

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: come to be known as Alternative 3 and this is a very interesting, interesting case

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that we have here discussing a secret space program and is any of it true? This has been

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the topic of debate by many people who've researched this through the years

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't know. I don't have the legitimate answers to that. I don't know what the true

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: nature of space as we would call it really is, but what I do know is that the people who

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: ostensibly operate these secret space programs or who have studied or been to or used

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: different tools to analyze what is the true nature of space they're not telling us the truth.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: It's demonstrable that all the information we get about space is either incomplete, incongruent,

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: inconsistent or outright false. Even the very nature of the photographs that we get

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: of outer space and from outer space, well those are all manipulated and they say they

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: do so out of necessity that they have to be manipulated because they collect these broad sets

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: of data and these massive images so they have to amalgamate them together somehow and make a

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: composite image to get a picture of space or a picture of earth from space and there's all

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: kinds of inconsistencies that we see and flaws. So what we know is that space is

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: described to us and what we also know is there is a public space program known as NASA and this is

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: just a PR front for secret space programs that have operated behind the scenes for many decades

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: now and of course in the modern era we also have some of these private companies like SpaceX

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: who have taken up the role of NASA in the modern day and taken it behind the veil of

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: secrecy so we have all of this stuff going on but I think it's demonstrable that whatever

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: the true nature of space is there are secret programs that have been in operation for a long

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: time exploring what space is and hiding the true nature of space from us whatever that may

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: in the peer-reviewed journals well there's some type of an atmosphere extending all the way out

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: beyond the moon they consider this part of the earth's atmosphere now is this a type of revelation

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: of the method I don't know maybe it is maybe they're telling us some true things and maybe

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: they're not maybe it's all obfuscation and we don't know the true nature of things but I still

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: am convinced we have not ever been beyond low earth orbit now I could be totally wrong about

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that and a part of me hopes that I am wrong about that because I've always been somebody

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: that was massively interested in the space program and the exploration of outer space

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: of traveling to other planets of all of these different science fiction notions that we've seen

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: in television shows like Star Trek and things like Star Wars and all of the entertainment

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: culture we have around us that would be really an interesting facet of things to explore I would

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: most certainly love that to be true that there were all of these other infinite vast reaches

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: of space where planets with life on them could flourish and stuff like that and we could explore

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the cosmos in this way and visit these new worlds and everything else I would love to think

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: of that as a reality the fact of the matter ladies and gentlemen is the evidence does not

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: support that from what we could see and we have had many of these things misdescribed to

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: us and I would think by now with public space programs having gone on now since the 1950s

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that we would have more answers than we do that we would have gone to more of these different worlds

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: than we have I would think that would be the case but certainly like I said the evidence

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: does not seem to support that does it there's always lies and obfuscation for instance had we

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: gone to the moon in 1969 in the Apollo program why do we not have a current presence there that was

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: one of the whole reasons for going in the first place was to establish a base and a

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: presence there a permanent presence to have the high ground you see it was a military front

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole NASA program they actually had plans in place a decade earlier in 1959

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: project horizon was put in place by the army this is a declassified document you could find it now

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: they had all of the technical details of how to get there how to build a base and establish

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: a base there and everything else in 1959 a decade prior to the alleged Apollo moon landing

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: 1969 so we've had all of this going on for some length of time before the public disclosure of

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the notion of these things and I have my doubts about the stories of officialdom about

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_04]: space exploration and these kind of things why if we were able to go in 1969 you're talking

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: 55 years ago more than that isn't it or is it 50 it is it's 55 years 55 years ago

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_04]: we allegedly went to the moon why do we not have an established presence there why have

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: we not been back there since 1972 well we have to question all of this don't we

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_04]: there's no logical reason why we should not have established some type of a military presence

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_04]: there or a base there and that's one of the questions we have here maybe we have

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe we have but that's assuming that some of the things that they tell us about space are

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: true and I'm at the position in my life in my research career where I am highly skeptical

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: of anything they hand us in officialdom highly skeptical and I don't know what the true nature

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: of these things are all I could do is look at some of the evidences that have been presented

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: through the course of time and analyze that accordingly and I do like to keep an open mind

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I do like to consider some of the ideas but the whole key to having an open mind is

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: making sure to leave yourself open to new ideas but also you don't want your mind to be so open

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that your brain falls out and that's that's a juxtaposition that's hard to achieve in the

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: modern realms of research especially with all the fake data out there all of the false

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: information that has circulated through the course of time it's getting very difficult

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: ladies and gentlemen to navigate this information this vast field of information we have and

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: be able to discern what is true and what is not true it's become so convoluted now in the internet

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: age that many of the sources the original sources have disappeared or they've been manipulated

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and this is the nature of the digital realm in which we are now entering and that's why it's

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: important than ever that we keep analog records we keep printed books physical books

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: with information in them because all of this is beginning to disappear now there was a time

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: period not all that long ago when you were able to access a lot of really important older data

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: on the internet and now a lot of that has disappeared you can't find it anymore

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: there were for instance a lot of old youtube videos that were extremely informational

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: that presented a lot of these different ideas and notions and different evidences supporting or

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: backing some of the claims that have long since disappeared i would challenge anybody go on youtube

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and look for videos of john lear talking about ufos and stuff like that you'll be hard

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: to find an awful lot anymore but there used to be massive treasure troves of him giving

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: interviews and speeches and stuff like this and talking openly on video about certain aspects

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: of things he claimed to know and a lot of the things he said you can't find that anymore i

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_04]: remember some of these because i watched them going back 15 years and now they're gone can't

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: find them on the internet the same could be said for a lot of other researchers and a lot of other

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: information that has been out there you can't find it anymore now especially youtube but i'm

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: talking google as well the parent company alphabet incorporated they have domiciled off

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: oblivion many of the old records videos archives that were once easy to find

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and now they've disappeared into obscurity if you could even find them at all on an internet

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: search browser this information has become extremely difficult to get a hold of

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: it's getting harder and harder to find legitimate resources

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: legitimate sources original sources of information

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: it's getting harder to find some of the things that were once said and put out there in the

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: public domain for people to find and now they've disappeared and this is congruent with what was

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: known in the book animal farm as the barn wall they're changing the barn wall ladies and

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: gentlemen if you haven't read the book animal farm i would strongly suggest you do so

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_04]: essentially this whole notion of the barn wall is this is where the animals in the book animal

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: farm wrote down the rules that they were to live by and abide by the laws and over the course

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_04]: of time the writing on the wall had changed but none of them noticed because they could not

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: remember a prior time that is all but one character an old wise character i believe he

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: was a donkey if i remember correctly he remembered that the writing on the wall had changed

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: that the old rules used to be different and we see this carries over into george orwell's

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: other work 1984 where history was changed on the fly that's what we're experiencing in real

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_04]: time in this digital age with the internet all of these things that were once recorded

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: on the digital wall that is the internet have now disappeared into obscurity and are no longer

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: there and have been replaced with some other trope or agenda that they want you to believe

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: in its stead and then it's always been this way and we see this in a lesser degree even

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: in this physical material reality around us this is called the mandela effect folks

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: where things seemingly have changed and have always been this way just like on the barn wall

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: in animal farm that's always been the way just like it is in 1984 we've always been at war

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_04]: with oceania the same thing it's changed they're using these digital tools

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: to change the way things manifest in this world we are so engrafted with this digital reality

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_04]: anymore and it's getting harder and harder to differentiate between what's true and what's

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_04]: false and it's only going to get worse as time goes on and i think some of this spills over

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_04]: into the real physical material world reality around us because of the nature

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: of this pleomorphic reality we live in and the nature of thought and consciousness itself

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and i think it's being affected by this digital system that is in place now that's just my

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_04]: opinion and my viewpoint and i certainly don't have the answers and i reserve the right to be

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: wrong about all of that but it would seem to me that this is playing a factor

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: in many of the changes in reality and how this relates to what we're talking about here

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_04]: is we've had for a long time many notions of these secret space programs or a secret space

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_04]: program and we're going to explore where some of these ideas come from and how they've

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_04]: expressed themselves in the past and how they've been explored by many researchers through the

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: years and we're going to look at this legend of alternative three which has to do with a specific

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: type of a secret space program and the theories surrounding it so we're going to be reading

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: from a book titled the ss brotherhood of the bell the nazis incredible secret technology by

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: dr joseph p feral and we're going to read into a portion of it where he discusses secret space

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: programs and not only secret space programs but the alternative three version of the secret space

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: program and this one has always fascinated me if you're not familiar with alternative three

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and the history behind it and the legend behind it and what exactly this is and where it

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: comes from well we'll get to that here dr feral talks about it and i can offer a little bit of

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: insight into it as well because many many many years ago i looked into this alternative three

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_04]: secret space program lead and went down the rabbit trails and found it interesting

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_04]: but just like everything else related to the topic there's nothing definitive to go on

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_04]: except for some circumstantial evidence and they did give some circumstantial evidence

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: about this in various places but

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the question remains is it true and that i can't answer with any degree of certainty

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: but it would seem that there are those interests in this world that would like

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: this idea out there circulating among people but they also

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: like to use it as a method of debunking or defaming certain ideas

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and they want people to think of it as being nonsense

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and maybe there's a kernel of truth involved with some of it like i said i don't know

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: we do have circumstantial evidence that supports some of the ideas presented but then we also have

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: stark admissions from people involved in the circulation of this theory that it may just

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: have been for entertainment purposes and is that not always how they do things they like to present

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: factual information in the form of fiction for the human mind to take in because if they were

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: to tell you the truth outright well that would lead to a lot of contemplation in a lot of people

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_04]: people would be appalled by the corruption and the lies and the deception

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and the disinformation that's been presented if they find things like this to be true

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and people would be upset and it could potentially tip the cradle of power but we're

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: entering a time period in our history now where those who control things in this world

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_04]: are pretty confident that they have it all locked up how they want it so they don't care

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_04]: if information gets out to the general public anymore and because we live in this age of

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_04]: deception and we live in this digital era and it's becoming harder and harder to discern

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: what is true and what is false here they are confident that even if the truth leaks out

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_04]: most people will disavow it and disbelieve it because it hasn't come from an official

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: source they haven't come out on the television and said yes this is true

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and even if they do some people won't believe it anyway and that's the nature of what we're

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: dealing with with this digital system that is arising in this world they are purposely

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_04]: keeping things ambiguous they don't want people to be able to discern truth they don't want

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_04]: to be able to discern what is real and what is fake that's all part and parcel of this

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: beast system they're building around us using this internet infrastructure to do so

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: so we have all of these notions of things we don't know what's true what's false

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and it leaves us in this state of confusion and when you're confused

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: where there is chaos there is profit and those who run this world will profit from it and

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: will be able to steer and manipulate the human mind and the human condition

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: in ways they want it to go when people are left in this state of confusion

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's one of the reasons why we get stories like this whether there's kernels of

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: truth in them or not this is why the whole topic of ufology has become such a catch-all

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: for a lot of the conspiracy culture all of these things are all interrelated in it there's

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_04]: social engineering that goes on within that side of things too not only do you have the

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: debunker and defamer side that always takes a look at anything related to these topics and

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: tries to tear it apart and give it some logical explanation and therefore discredit any research

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_04]: into it on the other side but on the side that supports ufo claims and ufology claims

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: secret space program claims you have people who tell stories and some of which portions of these

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: stories can be discredited and then you throw out the baby with the bathwater so the true

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: aspects of it get pushed aside and forgotten about by the bulk of the people looking at it

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: because they don't trust it because portions of it have been discredited disavowed thrown to

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: wayside and that's part of our human nature we will often throw out the baby with the bathwater

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: if you find inconsistencies in what's being said then you are less apt to believe what else is

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: being said by the source and we have the same problem with officialdom at this point

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and what does this do this creates confusion this creates uncertainty but this is also why

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: we need to keep an open mind and we need to try to research things for ourselves and vet

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: things out for ourselves because it gets harder and harder to discern what's real what's false

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: what's true especially in regards to topics like this so without further ado alternative three

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: among the many versions of secret space program hypotheses none is more bizarre nor

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: more famous than the alternative three version alternative three was a documentary and documentary

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_04]: is in quotation marks here produced for the british science series science report which aired

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_04]: on anglia television in the 1970s originally scheduled to air on april 1st 1977 the

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: broadcast was delayed and did not air until june though in the production credits april

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: 1st is listed as the date the documentary was one hour long and makes interesting viewing

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_04]: i'm gonna pause for a moment so now this is one of the claims after they put this out

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: into the ether for people to see back in june of 1977 they claimed that this was supposed

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: to be an april fools joke now up until that point this documentary series science report

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: was a very serious series it was something similar to what nova is on pbs television if

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_04]: you're familiar with that was a serious scientific documentary series so they presented this

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: alternative three episode on there which was originally slated according to them to be released

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_04]: april 1st but they didn't release it until june of 1977 now these are important things

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: keep in mind because later on this gives them either plausible deniability or it gives them

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: the reasoning behind why they released something fake to the public and maybe there were true

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_04]: things presented in here and that is the dichotomy that makes something like this so

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: run at because there's intention here let's put it that way if the intention if the credits

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: are saying april 1st and it was supposed to be allegedly released april 1st

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and they wanted to fool you wink wink nudge nudge then the intention is embedded there

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: now that further gets reified when you figure that it wasn't released until june of 1977

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: well this this becomes problematic because this up until that point was a seriously regarded

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: science documentary series so it was something people thought of as legitimate and i did actually

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: at one point i went back and i found the original broadcast of this episode of science

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: for

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: is terrible it really is and you can tell it's it's acting and it's scripted but

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: what's being presented might have some basis of fact behind some of it

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and this is what makes it interesting but let's go ahead we'll continue reading here we'll

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: tell you more about this so the originally scheduled to air on april 1st 1977 the broadcast

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_04]: was delayed and did not air until june though in the production credits april 1st is listed as the

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_04]: date the documentary was one hour long and makes interesting viewing ostensibly the documentary

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: begins by investigating the so-called brain drain that was affecting great britain during

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: the 1970s as many of her top scientists and engineers left the country for more prosperous

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and promising positions overseas most notably in canada and the united states and to a

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: lesser extent australia and new zealand moving quickly the documentary uncovers the cases of

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: three scientists who simply were never heard from again despite attempts of their families to contact

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: them finally one scientist died in a mysterious automobile accident allegedly after placing a

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: telephone call from a remote country phone booth to a journalist friend of his to whom he

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: computer memory tape gonna pause for a moment here i don't know if you could still find this

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: online this documentary alternative three from science report from anglia television in great

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: britain that aired in june of 1977 it was interesting i did watch this and it keeps you

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: on the edge of your seat the whole time because in the beginning they're talking about this

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: of what they call brain drain where many of these british scientists were experiencing

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: a type of fatigue and they they felt like their potential was being stifled so they traveled to

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_04]: other countries they took jobs and things like that with these companies overseas in these

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_04]: different countries and they disappeared and they were unable to be contacted so the

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: inference is that they entered into some type of black budget projects or secret

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_04]: act special access programs or some such thing and began working and developing different

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: technologies in one of these programs and they disappeared and could not be found nobody knew

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: where they went this is how the show opens up and it keeps you on the edge of your seat

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: because you're wondering what's going on here with this and we'll see as we progress where

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_04]: it goes from there so the the story goes that one of these scientists contacted a journalist

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: friend of his and gave him a computer memory tape and then he died mysteriously in an

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: automobile accident and this will be important as we continue so on the tape when it was

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_04]: finally decoded by the indeed fatigued investigative journalists of anglia television

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: was a video recording of an alleged joint russian-american mars landing in 1962

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: complete with video recording of subsurface life burrowing a furrow on the ground to the wild

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and thrilled cheers of the russian and american ground control crews in the background

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: with missing scientists and engineers a mysteriously dead scientist and a computer

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_04]: tape of an alleged mars landing the journalists learn of a hidden secret joint

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_04]: program being conducted by the americans and russians a component of which was to persuade

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: the best and brightest of the world scientists to participate in the gradual and very secret

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_04]: colonization of the moon and mars gonna pause for a moment here this is one of the notions

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: of this that has fascinated so many researchers if you begin digging you find evidences that there

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: may exist a joint secret space program between the russians and the americans and i would

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_04]: also say other governments of the world involved with this it crosses national bounds

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and it speaks of this notion of a breakaway civilization as we've discussed before in the

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: video here we have space programs that fall outside the jurisdiction and the watch

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: of any national sovereignty and that's why many of these things are hidden away in secrets

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_04]: behind closed doors behind the veil of corporate secretism corporate secrets

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_04]: proprietary secrets not disposable through freedom of information act corporations aren't

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: bound by that so if you don't have any government oversight and you don't have any

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: rules or regulations in place for such a thing who knows what they're doing behind the scenes

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_04]: if this breakaway civilization does truly exist and there are massive amounts of evidence to

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: show that something of the sort does exist and this is the interesting thing so

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: the claim made here was this tape which the folks at anglia television were able to somehow

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_04]: decrypt and decode and playback showed this alleged mars landing now last i checked i think

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you could still find some version or iteration of this original video on youtube somewhere

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the secret mars landing 1962 where they discovered life and they discovered various other things

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_04]: it shows on the screen the alleged landing of the probe or the craft or whatever it was

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: with the atmosphere how many bars of pressure in the atmosphere and the temperature and

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_04]: everything else ostensibly on the martian landscape and one thing you'll notice

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_04]: immediately is the sky is blue in that recording that's another thing as a little

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: of a side trail here you will notice if you are older than about 30 years old you may have

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_04]: remembered in the past if you're as old as me when you're looking at alleged photographs of

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: mars and you're just looking at information about mars well what were we taught back in

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: school about mars what color was the sky on mars well it's supposedly red and they give

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you myriad reasons as to why the sky on mars is red and why the sky on earth is blue and oftentimes

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you'll get convoluted explanations as to why this is well now in recent years over the course of

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_04]: the past decade maybe decade and a half you'll notice that there's a lot more pictures of

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: mars and martian landscapes and things like that where the sky is blue or a yellowish

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: tint and they're explaining now well this guy is blue at certain times of day on mars because

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_04]: of how the angle of the sun is and they give you a myriad of reasons for this too but it

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: makes you question the true nature of this especially when you take into consideration

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that nasa runs simulation rovers and stuff like that and simulation events

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_04]: simulating a mars landing on places like devon island and you can see this stuff i'm sure you've

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: all probably explored this endlessly many of the pictures of mars are actually just pictures of

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_04]: places on earth with a red filter over it and this is part of the obfuscation and this is

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: why it is that we have a hard time discerning fact from fiction in all of this

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: so one of the interesting things is this was from the 1970s and it's showing the blue sky

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: on mars so you have to wonder was this really filmed on mars or was this filmed on earth like

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_04]: many of the things we suspect are and why all of a sudden have they shifted gears and said

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: oh yeah yeah certain times of the day on mars the sky is blue well maybe they got tired

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: of having to put a red filter on everything i don't know to fake some of their photos and stuff like

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that i don't know i don't have the answers but it certainly leads in the direction of

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: misdirection okay they're they're deceiving us we know this now even if you go back to

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_04]: 1977 i think that was probably one of the reasons why they questioned the authenticity

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: of this film because they could see the sky was blue and would they not question this in the

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_04]: 1970s at which time they were thoroughly convinced that the sky on mars was red

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_04]: so you have to keep all of this in mind and this is the shifting of the overton window of

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: what's acceptable and what's not and maybe just maybe this is a mandela effect as well

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe i'm misremembering does anybody else out there who's my age remember being taught

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: in no uncertain terms that the sky on mars was red always red it was never blue because

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_04]: there was no water on mars you see and that's one of the reasons why they gave us in

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_04]: years past as to why the the sky on earth is blue well it's because of the reflectivity

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: of the water and how it filters out the different rays of light in that way because

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_04]: of the earth's atmosphere because of our magnetic field and all of this

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04]: it filters out the other bands of light and reflects the blue but they don't have that on

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: mars so the sky there is red and this is what we were taught and maybe i'm misremembering

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: i don't ever remember the sky on mars being said to be blue back then was unheard of but certainly

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_04]: we have this landing video and like i said i think you can still find it on youtube it's

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting to watch and if it is legitimate it would be a hugely exciting thing

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_04]: but like everything else we need to question the legitimacy thereof now does that mean that all of

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the notions that are discussed in this program this science report program on alternative three

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_04]: are false not necessarily there might be something to it i don't know i don't have

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the answers you have to make a lot of assumptions that's all we're left with is

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_04]: assumptions now let's entertain the idea for a little bit and assume that what they tell us

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: the nature of space is true that there are these other planets and that perhaps we could fly there

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_04]: in a machine but the distances are so vast and so great that it's extremely difficult

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_04]: but let's consider that let's entertain that idea for a moment as we continue to explore

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_04]: this topic the purpose of this colonization of moon and mars the world's elite had concluded

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: the planet was being destroyed by humanity and that overpopulation had passed the point of no

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: return and that life on earth was doomed three alternatives were discussed to save the situation

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: the first was to explode nuclear warheads in the atmosphere in an attempt to create a hole

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: which would bleed off the pollution gonna pause for a moment there folks

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_04]: this wasn't largely known in 1977 by the public but this was actually something called

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Operation fishbowl there were test programs that did this they exploded nuclear warheads

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_04]: ostensibly in the upper portion of the atmosphere to attempt to blow a hole in what we might term

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the firmament or the upper portion of the atmosphere so that the gross pollution could

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: bleed out into space i don't know what exactly they expected from this but they tested

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: what would happen if they exploded these nuclear weapons in the upper atmosphere that's what the

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_04]: whole thing was about then there was a whole series of secret programs that went on under

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the veil of this operation fishbowl and you could look that up i mean this is all documented

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_04]: as fact now so i don't know if anybody knew about this publicly in 1977 so this is one of

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_04]: the things that lends a little bit of credence to the circumstantial evidence here the fact

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that they talked about this as being one of the alternatives to this destruction of earth

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_04]: due to overpopulation and you always find these same ideas prevalent throughout all of

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: this conspiracy culture in this elitist culture they think the world's overpopulated

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_04]: they think they need to do something to depopulate the world and maybe since this time

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe they've come up with more alternatives than just three of them

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_04]: but let's read on here the second alternative was to build vast underground installations in

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_04]: which humanity could survive when the surface became unviable and the third alternative three

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_04]: was to seek new planetary homes on the moon and mars gonna pause for a moment here so alternative

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_04]: through was to build underground bases we have a lot of underground bases don't we

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: the elites of this world have their underground bunkers

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_04]: honestly though this doesn't seem like a feasible plan

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_04]: to stave off apocalypse or doom or any such thing how is that gonna help let's go live

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: underground we'll lock ourselves in a shelter for the remainder of our lives under the ground

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_04]: that doesn't seem like a feasible solution to the problem of the destruction of the earth

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: because well you're still on the earth or in the earth if you're burrowing underground

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_04]: how is that going to help think about that but that was their alternative too and then

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_04]: alternative three was to go off world and build colonies on the moon and mars

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: the secret space program was thus a modern day noah's ark into the most heinous crimes were

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_04]: being perpetrated to ensure the success of alternative three there more or less is where

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the documentary ends where the documentary ended in a pause so the alternative three

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_04]: documentary explored the notion first starting off that scientists in britain were

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: suffering from this brain drain mentality thing where they were feeling fatigued

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_04]: underappreciated overworked and they weren't getting anywhere they were spinning their

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: wheels so some of these scientists accepted jobs working for secret programs in foreign countries

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and they disappeared off the face of the earth so this left their families questioning things

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and it left the good people at anglia television questioning things they can't find these people

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: what happened to them well they disappeared seemingly off the face of the earth and that

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: was the implication that these people left earth on these secret programs and went to

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_04]: the moon and mars and this is where the the thoughts in this documentary were steered to

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they found this other evidence of this alleged videotape of the mars landing to

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_04]: reify that notion of things that they were there was this secret space program that was

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_04]: establishing a presence on the moon and mars and that some of these scientists may have

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_04]: been involved in that and that's where it left so it discovered more or less

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that this secret space program exists and it was doing some heinous things

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_04]: in the background to get this program off the ground was making people disappear who

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_04]: were whistleblowers so you have all of the hallmarks of modern conspiracy culture bound up

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_04]: in this story now like i said are there kernels of truth to it perhaps but there was also low

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: production value with it and you could tell a lot of the acting and it was terrible and a

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_04]: lot of it was staged and for show only and then there's also the other aspect to it

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: science report was an esteemed credible science documentary show at the time and this

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_04]: was the first and the only time that they allegedly pulled off a theatrical work of fiction

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_04]: like this and the show was canceled shortly thereafter remember this aired in june of 1977

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and they claim the original production date for it that it was supposed to air on was april

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_04]: first it was supposed to be an april fools joke what kind of a serious scientific documentary

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_04]: series would film an april fools joke and perform it especially not on april fools day itself

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_04]: so this in and of itself leads to further obfuscation here and further questioning as

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_04]: to the true nature of this was this intended to be a trojan horse was it intended to be a

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: nonsense to throw you off the trail i don't know it is an interesting case study though

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_04]: but let's see what else dr farrell has to say about this because as we'll see the story

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_04]: doesn't end there with this documentary series either so dr farrell says but the story did not

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_04]: end in fact the network was so flooded with calls from thousands of people who professed

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_04]: their belief in the whole wild scenario and who in some cases added their own stories of encounters

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_04]: with the hidden masters of the project the problem was the whole program was a complete

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_04]: hoax an elaborate april fools day joke intended as such by the producers and authors of the

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_04]: teleplay david ambrose and christopher miles a fact that would have been evident from

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: careful examination of the closing credits with its very clearly stated date and a long

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: list of cast which included professional actors the story would not die however and was soon

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: followed by a badly written book of the same title about more in a moment

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: to one canadian inquiring about the truth of the documentary co-author and producer christopher

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_04]: miles stated quote the idea for the film and subsequently the book was something that david

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_04]: ambrose and i dreamed up over a lunch together in london as i was getting rather tired of the

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: docudrama on television and wanted to prove how easy it is to lead the general public up the

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_04]: proverbial garden path i am sorry that you were one of them and if you look at the film or

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: read the book you will realize that there are hints of its unauthenticity all the way down

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_04]: the line of course it has a sprinkling of fact in it but the basic show is a complete

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: hoax and if you think a bit more yourself you would realize this was the case end quote

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_04]: so i'm gonna pause so here's a stark admission that it had a sprinkling of fact in it

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_04]: well what facts was this guy talking about so it seems to me there's something that doesn't

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: add up to this story this producer of docudrama series and this science report show

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_04]: why would these two guys get together and decide let's do this just to show that we can

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_04]: manipulate the public was it a social engineering experiment were these guys funded

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_04]: from somewhere on high was there a research study done by some think tank group or

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_04]: philanthropic organization maybe we've seen similar things happen in the past orson welles

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_04]: war of the worlds radio teleplay was one such event that was used to study

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_04]: the social engineering of society it's not beyond the realm of possibility that that's all this was

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_04]: was a test to gauge how gullible the population could be the thing that gets questions though

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the most is why did this air in june of 1977 if it was intended as an april fools joke

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and what happened to science report the television show would these guys purposely sabotage

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_04]: careers just to pull this prank because that's what seems to have happened now if these guys

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: were producers and writers for the show science report and it was a serious documentary series

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_04]: why would they sabotage their own careers just to prove that the public is gullible

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_04]: number one and number two to pull a prank because they're tired of the dryness of

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: drama series think about that some of these reasonings behind the alleged hoax don't

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: stand up to scrutiny and even though it was presented in the form of fiction and as a hoax

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_04]: according to the producer he says there are some bits of fact mixed in there and that's

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_04]: always the case this is how disinformation works so was this deliberate disinformation just

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_04]: implant these ideas into the greater culture i don't know i don't have the answers

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_04]: but this is one of the most legendary facets of a secret space program let's continue reading and

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_04]: see what else dr farrell can tell us about this the documentary's inconsistent acting is

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_04]: mirrored in the books incongruous slurry of wildly unconnected data all served up as

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: a corroboration of the secret space program and its nefarious activities and here's a quote from

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_04]: the book and i do actually have this book somewhere in my vast digital archive

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_04]: i have gone through the pains of reading it and it is kind of wild and

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_04]: doesn't really give you anything legitimate to go with just more circumstantial evidence

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_04]: of things that may or may not relate to a secret space program but it's so poorly put together

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that you can't really make heads or tails out of any of it so it leaves you with more

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_04]: questions than answers and is an obvious piece of disinformation but let's read the

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_04]: quote here from the book here quote the death of 15 wild ponies in dartmoor england is

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_04]: prevalent in the u.s beginning in the mid 1960s factual cia mk ultra mind control atrocities are

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: also mulled over but not in particular detail and with no credible link to alternative three

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: along the way instances of russian-american cooperation in space are described and we

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_04]: are offered accounts of the plights of several amnesia victims but none of this has much to

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_04]: with the core of the alternative three thesis okay so dr farrell goes on to say here at the

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_04]: end of it all a book and a documentary what does one make of alternative three

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_04]: jim keith also wrote upon this and he summarizes the whole episode this way now this is from

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_04]: jim keith another researcher i highly respect who passed away back in the late 1990s

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_04]: under some suspicious circumstances and he wrote an awful lot of things exposing

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_04]: much of the hidden agendas of this world and he says quote excuse me quote in summary

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_04]: alternative three is a teleplay and a book which utterly lacks substantiation and the book

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_04]: in particular is written in a style identical to the weekly world news of two-headed space alien

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_04]: gives birth to elvis love child fame what propels alternative three along in the manner

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_04]: of a 1940s amazing stories extravaganza set in the vicinity of fleet street are the secret

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: documents the interviews with persons who do not exist and more than that the word of the

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_04]: authors who while repeatedly maintaining we are only interested in facts write a television show

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and book loaded with as many questionable conclusions as the latest brad seiger ufo

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_04]: masterpiece all the references to flights to mars batch consignments and so forth are found

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_04]: in the poorly rendered and unbelievable secret transcripts or created from thin martian air by

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_04]: the authors end quote but as jim keith himself notes one comes away from viewing the documentary

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and or reading the book with an uneasy feeling notwithstanding their clear and evident nature

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_04]: as hoaxes and that uneasy feeling is that alternative three in its various themes are

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_04]: quite close to the truth that something like the odd goings on in the documentary

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_04]: actually are occurring and i'm gonna pause for a moment here folks that's the unsettling thing

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_04]: about this it's the circumstantial evidence to point to

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_04]: this notion of this alternative three secret space program maybe there is something like

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_04]: this going on and i do believe there are some in the greater realms of conspiracy culture if

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to call it that here who have talked about this secret space program and these different

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_04]: alternative three ideas people like laura eisenhower who a lot of people respect in

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_04]: this community have talked about this i don't know the truthfulness of all of this or

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_04]: where these people get their information or sources of information from or what their

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_04]: personal exposure to this may or may not have been i don't claim to know any of that and

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_04]: not about speaking ill of anybody but dr farrell is correct here it leaves you with an unsettled

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_04]: feeling because some of this is feasible and it would seem that there is circumstantial evidence

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_04]: to point to something like this going on so even though the whole production of this

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_04]: alternative three science report episode and the book and everything associated with it seems

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_04]: to be deliberate disinformation or hoax perhaps just for the purposes of making money i don't

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_04]: know i don't think the authors and producers of the show made a massive fortune on this

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_04]: i don't think so at all so i don't think that's the motivation but there could be a

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_04]: disinformation motivation maybe there was connection to intelligence groups or some such thing

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_04]: to disseminate a lot of this to keep people confused and lead them off the trail but yes

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: it seems that it is unsettling and that things like this may actually be occurring so dr farrell

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_04]: continues and he says in fact leslie watkins who co-authored the book version with the

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: documentary's producers for penguin books wrote a researcher who had contacted the penguin editor

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: that the book was quote based on fact but uses that fact as a launch pad for a high dive into

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: fiction and quote and a little later in his letter watkins recounts the unusual events

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_04]: that befall him after the book version was published and in circulation quote for some time

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: after alternative three was originally published i have reason to suppose that my home telephone

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: was being tapped and my contacts who were experienced in such matters were convinced that

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_04]: intelligence agencies considered that i probably knew too much so summing up the book is fiction

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_04]: based on fact but i now feel that i inadvertently got very close to a secret truth end quote

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_04]: but if watkins miles and ambrose had come too close to a secret truth that would call forth

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: electronic wire tapping in response what exactly in the crazy quilt work of the alternative

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_04]: three universe was it the universe of alternative three is clear enough there is a secret space

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_04]: program involving both russians and americans in cooperation being controlled by some entity

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_04]: that transcends their governments and uses them for its own ends which is the secret

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_04]: colonization of the moon and mars to this end it persuades or kidnaps scientists and

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: commoners for manual labor those it cannot persuade or who threaten to expose the project

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_04]: are murdered so one has the following elements number one several missing scientists in great

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_04]: numbers number two murdered scientists number three several missing common people number four

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_04]: a secret space program existing inside of or parallel to the public programs in russia and

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_04]: number five colonies on the moon and or mars and finally number six some entity coordinating all

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_04]: of the above so we have all of these interesting elements involved here and i'm sure we've heard

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: some connections to these elements before so let's continue on conspiracy researcher jim

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_04]: keith investigated these aspects of the case and came to a rather provocative conclusion

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_04]: a conclusion so provocative in fact that he seldom states it directly though much of his

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_04]: book mind control and ufos casebook on alternative three implies this conclusion simply by virtue

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_04]: of the amount of time he spends exploring it we begin with point number two above the

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: deaths of scientists keith like many other authors noted the very strange fact that many

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: european scientists physicists and engineers who were involved with or otherwise might have

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_04]: something to contribute to president ronald reagan's strategic defense initiative seemed to

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: have unusually high suicide or death by mysterious circumstances rates and oddly most

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: of these scientists were from western europe proportionally fewer americans canadians or

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_04]: australians were involved in the unusual deaths among those that keith lists were keith

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_04]: supercomputer expert roger hill a designer for marconi defense systems who allegedly killed

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: himself by shotgun blast jonathan walsh digital communications expert for marconi's parent firm

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_04]: gec carl heins beckertz director of research for germany's semen's company and his driver

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and notes keith quote an sdi contractor allegedly linked to activities of autoscorzini's nazi

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_04]: international and quote vimal d'abadji an expert in computer guidance systems jerald von brahmol

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: a high advisor to west germany's defense minister hans ditrich genscher ashad sharif another marconi

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_04]: employee a swedish professor savanta odin an italian electronics executive lando conti

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: atar singh gita an sdi technology expert richard pew defense minister british defense ministry

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: contracts worker john britton computer expert swedish arms inspector cal frederick algernon

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and on and on keith's list goes gonna pause for a moment so this sounds like a lot of

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: high-level scientists who have died under mysterious circumstances doesn't it connected

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: with these programs so this presents circumstantial evidence to suggest that something similar to

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: this may be going on doesn't it let's continue on so like the mysterious depths of key witnesses

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and personnel that followed the assassination of president kennedy rather too many scientists

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and engineers were dying in too many suspicious ways for the whole episode to be entirely

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_04]: coincidental jim keith also observes that quote in july of 1986 kurt rebman germany's federal

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: prosecutor told the new york times that he believed the attacks were part of a coordinated

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: offensive against the west and the sdi program so who killed the star wars scientists in at

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: least two of the cases those of beckertz and von brahmol the marxist red army faction

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and the fact that responsibility was claimed in only three cases is odd if two groups performed

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's the end of the quote from jim keith one explanation the obvious one is that it was

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: apparently it was apparent to the kremlin that sdi far from being the defense program that it

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: was touted to be by ronald reagan had an awesome offensive capability this much is true

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: as we shall see in part two but in any case keith's conclusion is rational the most

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: obvious perpetrators of the strange deaths were the soviets who hoped to dissuade the west from

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: deploying sdi but according to keith there was likewise another possibility and keith says here

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: quote it has also occurred to me that if there is in fact a secret flying disc technology

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: on this planet withheld for its surprise strike capability for some from some unknown quarter

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: then sdi might have been seen as a technology capable of pinpointing and shooting down such

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: craft end quote that is if there was an independent group perfecting such advanced

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: craft then that group too would view sdi as a threat and seek to derail it or conversely

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: seek to acquire and deploy its technologies while denying them to its enemies it is this

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: possibility that informs the bulk of keith's book tracing the possibilities to a pre-war

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_04]: network of american and nazi business contacts he quickly comes to one locus of possibilities

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: the surrender of germany's forming foreign armies east section of military intelligence

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: to the oss a deal that was negotiated between general the reinhard gelen and oss station

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: chief in zurich alan dullis later chief of the cia and member of the war and commission

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: but the surrender was only apparent as many have pointed out gonna pause for a moment here folks

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: so along with all of this we have ties back to the intelligence community to the cia to

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: office of strategic services that predated them and brought into their fold the german

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: intelligence and military apparatus under the leadership of reinhard gelen interesting

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: connections here for certain and it is very much speculated that germany was working on advanced

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: space technologies at the end of the war and we do know operation paperclip is a real deal thing

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: an admitted historical fact and the same thing went on within the auspices of the

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_04]: intelligence community first before the scientists from operation paperclip were

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: brought into the u.s and the soviets had a similar program as well to work on some of

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the same things they were working on under the nazi regime so now we get to keith's summary

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: jim keith's summary about this quote for reasons that will hopefully become apparent i

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: begin the search for alternative three at white what might appear to be an arbitrary moment

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: in history with men most of whom died a long time ago as we trace the actions and connections

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: of these men the conspiratorial web will radiate outward and perhaps begin to take on

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: a definite and ominous pattern the study is taken up shortly after the collapse of the

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: third rike when general reinhard gelen nazi spymaster and knight of malta there you go

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: folks

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: trail that continues to this day indeed as many others have pointed out at the inception of the

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: cia the agency's soviet desk for all intents and purposes consisted almost entirely and

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: exclusively of the nazi spy network gelin's own words recalling this bargain are clinically

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: here they are quote i remember the terms of the agreement well number one a clandestine

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: german intelligence organization was to be set up using the existing potential to continue

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_04]: information gathering in the east just as we had done before the basis for this was our

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: in a defense against communism number two this german organization was to work not for or under

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the americans but jointly with the americans number three the organization would operate

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: exclusively under german leadership which would receive its directives and assignments

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: from the americans until a new government was established in germany number four the

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: organization was to be financed by the americans with funds which were not to be part of the

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: occupation costs and in return the organization would supply all its intelligence reports to the

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_04]: americans number five as soon as a sovereign german government was established the government

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_04]: should decide whether the organization should continue to function or not but that until such

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: a time the care and control later referred to as the trusteeship of the organization would remain

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_04]: in american hands and number six should the organization at any time find itself in a position

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: where the american and german interests diverged it was accepted that the organization would

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: consider the interests of germany first end quote from reinhard gelin so dr farrell continues

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: here and he says in other words one whole department of the american federal government

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: indeed one of its most sensitive departments was being run by agents of the third reich

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: in a classic trojan horse operation with the thousands of agents in gelin's organization

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and its extensive network of emigre exile groups and fronts historian carl oglesby noted

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the gelin org substantially preempted the cia's civilian character before it was ever born

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: thus whatever the cia was from the standpoint of law it remained from the standpoint of

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: practical intelligence collection a front for a house of nazi spies end quote the cia folks

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: is what many would refer to as the fourth reich the intelligence apparatus in place

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: this worldwide intelligence apparatus that encompasses the cia the mi6 the mosad

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_04]: the kremlin all of these intelligence agencies they fall under one particular blanket of control

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and this was all done through these secret treaties at the end of world war two and the

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: many people would refer to as the fourth reich at the breakaway civilization this is one of the

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_04]: tools of control that are established by this breakaway civilization it's the use of the

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: intelligence agencies and they are interconnected and how so you might ask well you could ask

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: reinhard gelin a knight of malta it's through the secret society groups where do you think the

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: intelligence community gets its operating principles from the secret society groups and many within the

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_04]: intelligence community establishment belong to one of these secret society groups or another

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're all interconnected and they're all sworn brothers they've taken blood oaths

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: to help one another when in distress and to uphold the secrets of the secret society groups

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and they operate in capacities of semi-officialdom within the intelligence community

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and this is a type of a branch of the military industrial complex when it gets down

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: it supersedes national sovereignty it extends beyond the bounds of what we would accept

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: as normal conglomerations of people groups let's put it that way nation states it

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: supersedes nation states it supersedes all of this it's a type of breakaway civilization unto itself

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and it interconnects throughout the corporate world throughout government and quasi-government

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: world it's an interesting type of an apparatus here and there's this connection back to nazi

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: germany that many don't talk about you have to wonder about these things folks

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's continue on here. The importance of these observations cannot be pondered too long for as many other researchers and commentators have noted there appears to be a rogue element operating somewhere inside the US federal government and inside its intelligence community.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Jim Keith's observations and similar ones made by others who have researched the incredible bargain struck between Alan Dulles

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and General Gellin give a historical background and foundation to these fears

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: there not only is a rogue element within the American intelligence community but it has been

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: there since the end of world war ii and it was nazi in its personal aims and methods

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: moreover as Jim Keith also points out the Dulles family itself had long business

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: associations with Germany and there was an ideological connection quote

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: with man as with every other form of life there is this same tendency for the birth

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_04]: rate to far exceed the death rate which the inevitable result of an overcrowded population

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: in which some must be eliminated who those eliminated are depends upon who are the

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_04]: weakest and who are the strongest in the competition which necessarily ensues end quote

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: so i'm gonna pause right there so the underlying inherent inference being made here is

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: eugenics alternative three this very notion has connections to the nazi intelligence apparatus

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: to the american intelligence apparatus to the ideologies that permeate them that have to do

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: with eugenics we all know the outcome of world war ii and what's historically accepted

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and how this was a black eye on the eugenics program instituted therein

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_04]: but the eugenics program has continued forward folks it didn't end there it's still going

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: on today and it's gone from a passive phase into an active phase over the course of the

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_04]: the utilization of this eugenics program by this intelligence apparatus and by this breakaway

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_04]: civilization by those with a vested interest in depopulating this world

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that is the ideological connection here now dr farrell continues and says if that sounds

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: vaguely like an anti-jewish rant of hitler at the nuremberg party rally think again the

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: words are those of alan dullis's brother john foster dullis who would later become the american

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_04]: secretary of state under president dwight eisenhower in any case gelin's bargain with

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: dullis was but one aspect of the creation of a vast post-war nazi international an organization

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: with massive amounts of money and as has been seen its own intelligence network

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_04]: maintaining close ties to each other and other escaped nazis this network evolved into

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: what has been termed the nazi international run by auto scorsini and headquartered in madrid

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_04]: the nazi international would be key in the establishment of worldwide arms terrorists and

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_04]: drug trafficking networks although these crimes pale in comparison with the subversion of

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: american intelligence in collaboration with alan dullis the results of which may be said

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_04]: to have been the creation of the cold war and the continuing destruction of democracy in

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_04]: america scorsini most likely was a front man for other more high-ranking nazis since he was the

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_04]: son-in-law to former reichspank president haljmar horace greeley shocked but if nazi penetration

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_04]: of america's post-war intelligence and national security apparatus was a trojan horse operation

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: under the banner of a united front against communism what of the dispersal of nazi

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: technology could the notorious operation paperclip america's secret post-war program to recruit top

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: nazi scientists and engineers have also been viewed at least on the german side as a similar

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: operation well the evidence is scantily is scanty excuse me well the evidence is scanty

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: it is nonetheless provocative it begins with america's high commissioner in germany in the

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: post-war period john j mccloy when warner von braun refused to work for the american space

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_04]: program without his former army boss general walter dornberger who had in the meantime

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_04]: been sentenced by the war crimes tribunals to be hung it was mccloy who stepped in and

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_04]: granted dornberger a full pardon in fact mccloy pardoned over 70 000 nazis accused of war crimes

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: perhaps this is not surprising since mccloy was a lawyer in the employ of ig farben after world

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: war one and had shared a box with hitler himself during the 1936 berlin olympic games

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and last but not least mccloy like alan dullis also served on the war and commission

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: once in the u.s the nazi scientists were of course watched closely but not it seems too

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: closely as jim keith notes quote walter jessel an interrogator of the german rocket scientists

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: for the army claimed that there was a conspiracy between von braun dornberger and dornberger's

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: chief of staff to withhold information from u.s officers end quote given the fact that

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: von braun's rockets successfully became the backbone of america's space program up to and

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: including the apollo moon rockets as well as became the backbone for america's intercontinental

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: ballistic missiles an important question thus occurs what possibly could von braun and dornberger

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: have been withholding they may have been withholding technical information since this

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: was not an isolated instance as the following incident indicates three other german scientists

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_04]: brought to the usa were found to have illegal mail drops in el paso texas where they received

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: money and coded messages from foreign sources other instances of nazi scientists receiving

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: money from unknown sources were not investigated by the military including an instance when one

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_04]: third of the german paperclip group simultaneously bought expensive cars that they were reportedly

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: unable to afford on their salaries there were also repeated suspicions that rockets were being

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: sabotaged and that components were missing from recovered missiles gonna pause for a moment

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: so now we're beginning to see some real concerning facts regarding

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: these secret space programs were they really space programs at all folks i would have to ask

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and what space are we talking about is it simply the space between your ears

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_04]: let's read on here so we have all of this going on in the post world war two period

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: with operation paperclip so it says if so then the gallon org offered the perfect means

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to spirit any developed technology out of america and into the right hands jim keith

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_04]: concludes his scenario with the following observations quote the controlling reins of

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_04]: german technologies such as rockets advanced aircraft and atomics were never fully

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: surrendered inner circle control through knowledge obtainable only in the inner circle

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: was retained by nazis and their sympathizers it is in this environment of extensive collaboration

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and infiltration by nazis and fascists a collaboration that involves a long-term

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_04]: continuance of nazi goals separated from earlier german territorial goals and an overall

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: shepherding and betrayal by international moneyed interests government and intelligence

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: agencies that america's descent into two totalitarianism genocide and mind control

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: becomes understandable and the alternative three template becomes first visible gonna pause

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: for a moment there that's the end of the quote from jim keith so alternative three

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: was this a revelation of the method or was there something legitimate to it

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: let's read on so dr farrell concludes here and he says keith's scenario is clear enough

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and it is the same one in broad outline adopted here namely number one that with

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the dispersal of nazi technology scientists and engineers into post war allied soviet and

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: possibly into covert and independent research programs more directly under control and number

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: two that with this grafting of gallons organization with its extensive espionage

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: network inside the iron curtain into american intelligence a powerful clandestine organization

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: was created an organization with international reach ambitions and finance behind it only such

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: an organization could attempt to maintain two space programs one for public consumption and

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: other entirely off the books to further the interests agenda and power of the elite that

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: controlled it only such an organization could attempt to coordinate the otherwise independent

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: public space programs of the two superpowers seen in this light it is easier to see why there

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: was such a heavy nazi presence in the web of relationships involved in the assassination of

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: with his threat to smash the cia into a thousand pieces he was taking deliberate aim at one of the

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: power structures for this international rogue element to ensure its continued survival and the

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: survival of its projects and agenda kennedy had to go so that's the end of the portion

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: that we're going to cover here about alternative three and you see how alternative three

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: everything from nazis to the kennedy assassination to the sdi program of the late 1980s from the

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_04]: reagan administration and all the way across the board so we have this notion

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: of a secret space program and what's behind this secret space program well it would seem

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: it's an intelligence apparatus and was the dissemination of this alternative three

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: a bit of disinformation with a little bit of legitimate information mixed in what's the true

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_04]: nature of this and what is the ultimate goal of this well certainly we see facets of truth

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_04]: presented in the alternative three scenario it would seem there is this breakaway civilization

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: this secret government behind the scenes that's international in scope

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that seems to transcend all national sovereignties and borders and has its own agendas

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and maybe they have developed space programs to set up off-world encampments for themselves

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: i don't know i don't have the answers to that or maybe it's just to funnel monies

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_04]: for other things and we know they've built underground bunkers and these things so we've

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_04]: explored these concepts of alternative one and two before and we see this alternative three

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: as being a viable option but maybe they have other alternatives as well because you see

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: overall here's what they believe the big problem is overpopulation so maybe they did

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: develop this alternative three strategy and maybe they discovered they can't go anywhere

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and so they had to come up with another alternative for that and perhaps this alternative

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: is to do something to depopulate the world and maybe we're seeing that unfolding before our eyes

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: i don't have the answers that is mere speculation on my part but we can see there

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_04]: are true elements involved in this alternative three scenario and that there have been and

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: are known as secret space programs now what those monies actually go towards is anybody's guess but

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: i do realize and regard that they have developed secret technologies within the auspices of this

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: program and they keep this hidden away from the public and it's very hard to get anything

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: factual about this so this alternative three scenario although it appears to be largely

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: fictional at this point it is admitted to be a hoax but it seems to be a bit of disinformation

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: with some underlying core truths behind it so we need to keep it in our consideration and

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: understand there do exist secret space programs now what they do with the funding do they really

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: go to space or are they talking about something different is it a code word for something else

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: are they are there hidden agendas that have nothing to do with space but they figure this

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: is the best way to lead the public off the trail looking at things like space programs and

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_04]: mars landings and moon landings when in fact they're funneling the monies to something else

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_04]: perhaps biological research to depopulate the world in which we live like i said speculation

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: i don't have the answers but what we can know at the end of the day is this legend of alternative

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: three does have some impetus in fact behind it even though it is largely disinformation

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: anyway that's all the time we have for today folks i want to thank you all for tuning in i

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