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[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Good evening everyone, we're going to discuss the Sacred Fire.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_06]: What is it mean? What is the philosophy of fire?

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_06]: What exactly are these people talking about in the secret society groups and secret schools when they're talking about the philosophy of fire?

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_06]: What's the intention here? What's the original meaning behind it? Where does it come from? What are they talking about? Why do they claim to be the philosophers of fire?

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to get into that tonight. We're actually reading a book called The Philosophy of Fire by Dr. Rubin Swain, Bern Kleiner, a rose accrucian of very high regard.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And he wrote this book back in 1907. So we're going to go through the introductory part of the book here, which kind of explains where some of these ideas came from or where the secret schools believe they came from I should say.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So let's get into it. Introduction and it opens here with a quote that says, there is nothing new under the sun.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Thus, has a wise man said in the long ago, and Marie Corelli, the most justly famous authoress of the present day in her beautiful book, a romance of two worlds, says,

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_06]: yours, why what can you call your own? Every talent you have, every breath you draw, every drop of blood flowing in your veins is lent to you only. You must pay it all back.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And as far as the arts go, it is a bad sign of poet, painter or musician who is arrogant enough to call his work his own. It never was his and it never will be.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_06]: It is planned by a higher intelligence than his, only he happens to be the higher laborer chosen to carry out the conception, a sort of mechanic in whom boastfulness looks absurd.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_06]: As absurd as if one of the stone mason's working at the corners of a cathedral were to vont himself as the designer of the whole edifice.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And when a work, any work is completed it passes out of the laborer's hands. It belongs to the age and the people for whom it was accomplished and if deserving goes on belonging to the future ages and future peoples.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_06]: So with the book that is now being placed here before the reader, I wish him to remember that it is not my own. I have taken the works of many of those before me and have tried to choose therefrom such material as has appealed to me.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I have taken this material and have tried to arrange it so as to form one harmonious hole.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I wish the reader to understand that even this material was not original with the authors from whom I quote,

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm going to pause there for a second. Now these are the words of Dr. Rubin Swine, Berniclimer in this opening portion of his book The Introduction here.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_06]: So he's claiming he took these teachings from some of the different fellows from this rose accrucian order and from the various orders and put them all together as the sink is possible here.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_06]: For instance, the secret doctrine has come down to us from the temples of Atlantis.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And no one is able to tell us how long ago that may have been I'm going to pause there folks. That's the truth, isn't it?

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Atlantis. So they're claiming these teachings, these mystery school teachings that these were all inherited from this civilization of Atlantis.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_06]: This earlier time period, this golden age prior to the modern era prior to what our recording recorded history claims, right?

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what they're claiming. They're claiming there was an older civilization and older version of mankind that existed in some time long ago, and you know how long ago we're completely uncertain

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's become the stuff of legend and mythology now Atlantis. So they claim these teachings have all been inherited from Atlantis.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_06]: So keep that in mind as we go through the rest of the reading here. The ancient mysteries also were handed down by an issue to an issue from that same time and of course he's referring to the time of Atlantis.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_06]: The question may well be asked by the reader, why it is necessary to again repeat the things that have already been written? It is a fair question and deserves a fair answer.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_06]: It is for the reason that these authors stated the facts here set forth in the negative form.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_06]: It is my desire to state that they are positive facts, facts that can be verified by quote him who truly seeks in earnest and closed.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm going to pause there for a second. So I'm here is saying that it's just a matter of perspective. What he's doing here is he's inverting these things that these older authors have written

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and these older authors have brought forward. So the information is getting twisted around here isn't it? These teachings that they were in a negative form.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_06]: So he wanted to make them positive facts, but he's trying to reposition these in a different kind of light for people to see something he considers positive.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_06]: He continues to say facts that can be verified by him who truly seeks in earnest and what exactly does that mean when he's quoting him who truly seeks in earnest.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Who can actually make the judgment of who's seeking something in earnest or not? Who makes that determination?

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Is it the members, the initiates of the order that are handing down these teachings? Are they the ones that make this judgment or is it something else going on?

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Well let's read on and see what else it says here. In many cases, these authors state the things that they have read and not belonging to any fraternity

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_06]: that can give them the positive facts and not having access to the secret records are unable to say that these things are true.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm going to pause there folks. Apparently this guy though, he had the secret records and is able to say that these things are true, right?

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_06]: He's claiming these people who recorded all of these different teachings down through the ages. Well they were ignorant. They didn't have access to the secret records.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: But somehow we're another, you know, this group of this specific group of rose grusians did that this guy belonged to.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Knowing the interest taken in the higher science, occultism, mysticism and the true initiation and having the records at my command,

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_06]: which proved that the things herein written are true is my excuse for the compilation of the present work.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm going to pause right there. And that is the height of arrogance in here, where it's right there folks. He claims that he has these records at his command.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And they prove the things written herein are true. So this is his excuse for compiling this present work, or for actually taking some of the old teachings,

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_06]: putting his own spin on them and putting them into written form here for posterity and for generations to come of the quote unquote initiates of the order.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_06]: He goes on to say here, I do not wish to be accused of plagiarism and therefore the foregoing. I do not claim that a single line in this book is my own.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I claim nothing but give the credit to those who have gone before me. If you find anything original, give the credit to those who have taught me and not to me.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm going to pause there. Is this some kind of plausible deniability built right into his book folks?

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: One thing I wish, the truly interested reader to remember. Whatever is herein written is absolutely true. And if you are willing to so change your life as to be worthy, there are those who are ever ready to teach you and show you the path that leads to initiation, the finding of the Christ.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm going to pause right there folks. Here it is again, always always always with these secret society groups and these fraternal brotherhood. He's claiming that this is the absolute truth.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_06]: When in fact nobody could prove that or know that for certain. Nobody can know for certain that the things being taught.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Within this rose accrual brotherhood within this order within this book. Nobody could say with 100% certainty that every single aspect of it is true, but that's what he's claiming first and foremost here.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_06]: But he's also saying here that the only way you'll be able to understand that this is absolutely true is if you're willing to change your life and be worthy of these teachings.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_06]: So you have to follow the instructions of this order of this brotherhood, of this secret society group. Only then can you be worthy to understand these mystical secrets?

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's what he's teaching here. Only then can you show that you're worthy to follow the path to initiation and he equates it here to finding the Christ.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's talking about a very different Christ than the Christ that written about in the Holy Bible.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_06]: History informs us that as soon as mankind recognized the relation between themselves and a creator and acknowledged moral responsibility to a supreme moral government,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: then religion became a pertinent fact. And systems of religion were introduced whereby in an objective form their subjectivity could be outwardly made manifest and I'm going to pause there for a moment.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think this is a true statement. The creation of religion was related to this concept and this it was made an objective form of this subjectivity, so that it could outwardly manifest.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay here in the physical world that this could be an outward sign that somebody was seeking after this spiritual relationship with their creator.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_06]: So what's happened here is religious systems came about and this was a way to objectify a subjective thing. Once again, we see the workings and the trappings of how our quote unquote modern science works as a factor in this.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_06]: So this is where the ideas of religion came from. This was an organized structure, this was trying to quantify something that's unquantifiable, objectively measuring something that's subjective and experiential.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So this is what religion has done. It's kind of forced this spiritual objective into a little box and made it an outward expression of things and it shows up as being a ritualistic type thing doesn't it?

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_06]: It's about power, it's about having power over others. That's why they do the things they do that's why they keep the secrets. So all this information that could be outwardly available to anybody they've kept hidden for centuries.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's only within the past I'd say 15 years to 20 years or so with the advent of the internet that all of these things have become much more accessible to the common man.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Whereas before that time you had to belong to one of these secrets society groups or secret orders in order to get access to a book like this even.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And now it's out there in the public domain for anybody to look through. So it's only because this rise of the internet that we're able to look back at this stuff now and be able to actually study it and understand it.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm also talking about the process of being the outsiders, the profane as they call us. Anyway, let's read on here. These systems are divided into monotheism and polytheism. The latter includes dualism and trithiasom.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_06]: The lowest grade of polytheism is fetishism or idolatry, which teaches the worship of inanimate nature, stocks and stones.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And the works of the hands of men. Next is pyrolitry or worship of fire and sabiasom worship of the sun as you in.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_06]: The first step of each master or reformer was to receive a mission and revelation from some god. Thus, a macyse and manoeuvres, law givers of the Egyptians received their laws from mercury or thoth, it says in parentheses here.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Zoraster of the backtrends and zamoxis law giver of the Gettys from Vesta, zethrostes of the armospi from a good spirit or genius.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And all progaged the doctrine of the law of karma. There is no doubt that all of them were initiates of the secret orders then existing, in which orders taught the secret doctrine and ancient mysteries as well as the mystery of the fire.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_06]: That this is true. We'll be shown farther on and I'm going to pause there, folks. Dr. Climber here's claiming there were different systems, okay? Different religious systems that came about as a response to mankind's acknowledgement of a relationship with the creator.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And he took the form of monotheism, which is the worship of one god, which is pretty much what we're familiar with here in the modern age.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_06]: There was Paul Ithism also called Pantheism in its different forms, which acknowledged the existence of many different gods.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And it says that the latter includes both dualism and trithes on the worship of a god, a two-headed god or a three-headed god. And I'm sure he's probably going to make the correlation later that the Christian Trinity.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_06]: So he's going to say that this is a type of polytheism, or trithesism as he calls it here. I'm sure that's probably the modest apple operandi of him actually laying down these definitions here in order to try to further rescue the modern mind from any kind of helpful observation here with these things.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_06]: He also says here, the lowest grade of polytheism as fetishism or idolatry which teaches the worship of inanimate objects in animate nature, stones, rocks, things of that nature worship.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, and then he names some more subsets of that pyrolytry and sabias, which is the worship of fire in the worship of the sun, which many of these ideals will see as we go through here.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll crop up as physical representations or symbols of different spiritual ideas. And that's where the misconception or misconception-struing of this had taken place in some of the early religious pantheons.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_06]: The external teachings or the surface teachings for the people, the exoteric teachings were teaching about these very basic things like the sun and fire.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And people actually worshiped this, the sun and fire as actual gods in some sense or at least that's the story. That's what they claim here.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, that's what the mystery school's claimed. But only those that were initiates of the order of the secret orders that knew these things knew the real secrets behind it.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_06]: They knew the esoteric meanings of this and were able to carry this forward. The mystery of fire, the secret doctrine, the ancient mysteries that were inherited from the people of Atlantis according to Dr. Climber here.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Supposedly these select few men, these law givers were given these instructions from some god of some sort and were to write these moral ethics and stuff down and values.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's what he's saying. Any call these guys, law givers.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Rada Mantis and Minos, law givers of Crete and like a honor of Arcadia had intercourse with Jupiter.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Trip to Lemus of Athens was inspired by series Pythagoras and Zalusius for the crotonyans and Locreans ascribed their institutions to Manurva,

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_06]: like Hergis of Sparta acted by direction of Apollo and Romulus and Numa of Rome put themselves under the guidance of Consus and the goddess Ejiria. I'm going to pause there.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_06]: So a lot of these old names, it's representing different archetypes. You see the Jupiter archetype. We see names of Pythagoras Pythagoras is an important figure in philosophy.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Manurva Apollo. The first Chinese monarch was called Fog of Four, the Sun of Heaven.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: To Esco, the founder of the German nations, was sent to reduce mankind from their savage and beastial life to one of order and society as appears from his name which signifies

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_06]: the interpreter of the gods, Thor and Ogyn, the Law givers of the Western Goths, laid claim to inspiration and to divinity and they have given the names

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_06]: to two of the days of the week. Plato makes legislation to have been derived from God and the constant epithets into kings in Homer, our diogenesis or diogenesis.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Born of the gods and diotrefius, bred or tutored by the gods. When true initiation is once understood by scholars they will no longer deny that man can be taught by God

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_06]: or by the supreme intelligence for such a thing as possible and divine revelations to man or to the mind and soul of man is not so hard or impossible of thing and I'm going to pause there for a moment folks.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't necessarily disagree with the statement that man can directly be taught from God or the supreme intelligence or have divine revelations.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't deny that that's a possible thing. Here's the thing he's claiming here when true initiation is understood by scholars, then they will no longer deny that man can be taught by God or by the supreme intelligence.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Once again they're placing emphasis on this idea of initiation and they call it true initiation is the initiation of one secret society different from another.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_06]: They all involve the same steps, I guess this guy's secret order is better though.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure if he's going to be able to deny this revelation here.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_06]: These claiming here that it's only these very special initiates of these secret schools or secret orders only there worthy to receive this divine revelation and maybe put it to law and be called a law giver.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the implication he's making here.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_06]: These masters and reformers received their instructions direct there is no doubt going to pause there really there's no doubt that Romulus and that he was given divine instruction did Romulus even exist was that a real historical figure folks.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know at any rate that I guess well he's got access to all the old records right so he would no man can come into direct communication with his God if he is willing to live such a life as will make this possible.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to pause there folks and once again it comes down to are you worthy do you live the life of the initiate see are you part of this secret order you follow the instructions that they give you do you live the lifestyle are you pure enough are you good enough.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh you you haven't heard from God well that's just because you're not quite good enough keep doing what we say and then maybe someday you'll be good enough and maybe then you'll have some kind of divine revelation.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's how they operate in these secret society groups but let's read on in the following work both proofs of this fact and instructions are given no one may say that he did not know.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Plutarch in isis nosirus says it was a most ancient opinion derived as well by law givers as divine that the world was not made by chance neither did one cause govern all things without opposition.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_06]: This is the doctrine of zoraster in which were taught to opposite principles by which the world was governed and I'm going to pause there and there's the roots of your hagaly and dialectic folks goes all the way back to the teachings of isis nosirus the ancient Egyptian mystery schools as quoted here from from plutarch this was the doctrine of a zoraster to opposite principles by which the world was governed.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_06]: So there it is, it's the opposition, the dualism all of this stuff that's a man made construct this dualism.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_06]: This dual aspect.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_06]: It's the way that they govern see that they can't govern or control without this dual mechanism this duality of sorts and I don't like the word duality because it's not something that really occurs in the natural world in nature does it duality.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Now we do see polarity and that's slightly different okay but duality is the man made concept that uses these opposite polarizations against one another for the purpose of control polarity works a little differently than that.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_06]: The first religion or mysteries were those of Atlantis and known as the hermetic philosophy again, I'll pause there folks these principles are as old as mankind himself.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It can only trace them back so far and what the author here of this book is claiming and the rose accrucian brotherhood is claiming is that the first religion or the first mysteries were those of Atlantis and we know them now as the hermetic philosophy.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_06]: These are the principles on which most of the other alchemical sciences and most of the other teachings of the quote unquote secret doctrine of the mystery schools are based their based upon hermetic philosophy.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_06]: So this is actually a well-known thing hermetic philosophy. This could be found by anybody who's interested in studying these things you can understand some basic things by understanding hermetics, right?

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_06]: But let's continue on here.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Later we have the Oriental mysteries of Isis and Osiris in Egypt. These mysteries are the same as the hermetic philosophy of Atlantis and are but known under another name.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_06]: The study of the mysteries of Isis and Osiris will prove to the student that this was a pure fire philosophy, and this is proven in the pages that are to follow. And I'm going to pause there folks.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_06]: This is where the idea of the sacred fire comes in. They say a lot of people have claimed that the mysteries found their perfection in ancient Egypt that the Egyptian mythos represented the mysteries extremely well as far as the symbolism and everything

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_06]: concerned with it. It encapsulated all the ideas perfectly well.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Zoraster brought these mysteries into Persia, cadmess and Enicus into Greece at large orfius into Thrace,

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Milampus into Athens. As these ancient Atlantian mysteries, they should be called were to Isis and Osiris in Egypt, so they were to mithras in Asia.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_06]: In Samutras to the Mother of the Gods, in Bouisha to Bacas, in Cyprus to Venus, in Crete to Jupiter, in Athens to series and Prosperpeen, in Amphora to Caster and Pollux, in Lomnos to Vulcan,

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_06]: the most noted of these were the Orfic Bacchic, Elucinian, Samutration, Kabiric and Mithraic.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's speaking here, folks, of the various mystery schools of Antiquity.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay? And what he's telling you here in No Uncertain terms, they all taught the same principles, the same things under different names.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_06]: These are all based on the Hermetic Philosophy, so if you have a foundation in Hermetic Philosophy, you can better understand some of these ancient myths or myth representations here.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_06]: So I'll based upon these Hermetic Perincibles, which they claim come from Atlantis. I don't know how true that is, I don't think anybody could verify those claim.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_06]: The important point here is all these different ancient mystery schools or these ancient mythologies, they all teach the same thing within the esoteric brotherhoods that surround the world.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_06]: These external religious figures. It was agreed by origin and Celsius that the mysteries taught the future life, the law of karma and the law of reincarnation.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_06]: It was taught that the initiated would be happier than other mortals because they lived so in this world as to learn in the present incarnation, what it would take, the profane many incarnations to learn and I'm going to pause there folks.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Once again, they panty about the term the profane, that's how they refer to us. We're the profane, we're not worthy of this knowledge or not.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember there are big club, they're better than us, blah blah blah, yada yada yada yada.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Plato taught that it was the design of initiation to restore the soul to that state from whence all fell.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_06]: As from its native seat of perfection, and I'm going to pause there folks.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And these same people, a lot of these philosophers, Plato, and Pythagoras Aristotle, and all of these other philosophers of those times, they would claim that there was no sin that caused separation between man and God.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_06]: This was not a thing, but in the same token there, that's exactly what they're teaching.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_06]: It says that initiation is the restoration of the soul to that state from whence all fell.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's referring back to the fall recorded in the Garden of Eden back in the story in the Bible, the follow-man kind, right?

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Teachers in these secret society groups, well they teach that that's nonsense that there was no first cause or no fall per se here. He's telling you something different.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_06]: He's telling you initiation is the thing that will restore your soul. This is your salvation.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's the claim here. So if you're a Christian, this is an alternate teaching of salvation.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what they're trying to convince you. They're trying to convince you.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Only man can save himself through the use of the finding out of this secret knowledge and being initiated into one of these orders.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you see how they've kind of taken this thing and twisted it?

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And once again, I will tell people, this is why Christ is a stumbling block for these people.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Because he made the way for everybody. You don't have to join one of these secret orders or go through their initiation process or anything of the sort to have this salvation.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_06]: You don't have to do that.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Now maybe there was a time that this had to be a thing. I highly doubt that though,

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_06]: but this is the kind of power that these people that wrap the tops of these mystery schools at the time gave themselves.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_06]: They gave themselves the power to initiate others and make people believe that they could buy their ticket to heaven by being initiated into these orders.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what a lot of these secret groups teach.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, you can achieve your own salvation through the perfection of yourself through these different alchemical processes.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And Episcetus taught that, thus the mysteries became useful. Thus we seized the true spirit of them.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_06]: When we began to apprehend that everything therein was instituted by the ancients for instruction and amendment of life.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_06]: All persons who were candidates for initiation into any of these mysteries were required to produce evidence of their fitness by do inquiry into their previous life and character.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And once again, I'm going to pause there as well. This is an important point. Once again, this is another point which really points out that Christ is a stumbling block for these people because he says,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Come to me how you are. He doesn't require that we prove our fitness or worthyness to be saved. In fact, it's quite the opposite. He knows we're unworthy and he took our place in judgment there and he accepts us how we are.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_06]: At that moment that we seek his salvation. And this is a stumbling block for the secret schools because it's counter to what they teach. Do you understand why they are so opposed to Christianity?

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Precepts the spiritual precepts of Christianity, some of the basic tenets that are taught in the Christian faith house simple. Some of these things are.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll tell you something about these mysteries schools they like to make things overly complex for no reason. And they don't have to be. We have a way.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And the way they're showing is not the way to get there. That's why I will still reaffirm. Christ is a stumbling block for these people and that's precisely why.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_06]: What he teaches is counter to what they teach. See, they teach that the only way you can achieve soul enlightenment or salvation is by showing your fitness that you're worthy to join one of these orders.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And then you need to be initiated into this order and follow all of these legalistic precepts of this order in order to be found worthy. And then maybe just maybe.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe you'll have some type of an experience that lines up with salvation and a sense or maybe just maybe you can purchase your soul or develop your soul. That's how they put it. They call it soul science. You can develop your soul.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And they don't believe you even have a soul unless you're in an initiate of one of these orders. In many cases.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_06]: The elucinian stood open to none who did not approach the gods with a pure and holy worship, which was originally in indispensable condition

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: observed in common in all the mysteries and instituted by backers or Osiris himself who initiated none but virtuous and pious men.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was required to have a prepared purity of mind and disposition as previously ordered in the sacrifices or in prayers in approaching the mysteries. And I'm going to pause there again.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_06]: This once again reiterates that this is the same across any single one of these secret society groups or organizations that exist out there today folks.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Same thing, nothing is new under the sun. The author even said that opening up here. What they're telling you is one of these secret orders or mystery schools is the same as any other. They all had this as some of their precepts.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_06]: You had to be found worthy to be a member. And if you weren't found worthy then fat chance here. Then no, you're not worthy of salvation. You're not worth saving.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what they think of you. They don't even think you have a soul unless you join one of these secret orders and become quote unquote enlightened.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Illuminant goes counter to what the Christians were taught by Christ. He said, everyone can come anybody who wants to

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Can come can ask forgiveness of him and ask for salvation from him. And he is true to his word and will grant that to us. He has the authority. See this is something these people did not have. These people don't have authority. They have fainte authority.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's the problem. They pretend they pretend that they have authority. They pretend they know all these secrets.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's the real secret behind all this secrets. They pretend that they know something that everybody else doesn't.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That they have this mystical power that nobody else has. And they convince people of this and you know, maybe they understand some chemical sciences and stuff that the average person doesn't

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_06]: are able to utilize them in certain ways. But that does not constitute what the claim is here. Let the buyer be where? That old adage holds true here with this stuff.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_06]: That's why I think it's important that we read and understand these things.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And we look into these different studies and these different philosophies and teachings that these secrets society groups offer,

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_06]: but you have to be able to use your discernment, to be able to really separate the wheat from the chaff with this stuff.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Because they do give you some very good information along with some really poisonous information.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the dual nature of the beast and once again it falls back on that dualism idea that we spoke about your earlier that they've inferred into everything,

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_06]: because it's a control mechanism folks. That's why.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_06]: It was Max Mueller who wrote that quote in the language of mankind, in which everything new is old and everything old is new,

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_06]: an inexhaustible mine has been discovered for researchers of this kind.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Language still bears the impress of the earliest thoughts of man obliterated it may be buried under new thoughts,

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_06]: yet here in there still recoverable in their sharp original outline.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_06]: The growth of language is continuous and by continuing our research is backward from the most modern to the most ancient strata,

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_06]: the very elements in roots of human speech have been reached and with them the elements in roots of human thought.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_06]: What lies beyond the beginnings of language?

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_06]: However, interesting it may be to the physiologist does not yet belong to the history of man.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_06]: In the true and original sense of that word, man means thinker.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And the first manifestation of thought is speech and quote.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_06]: This is called the Green Language within Free Masonry.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_06]: It's called Twilight Language Connually by people that research this topic.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_06]: It's also been referred to as the language of the birds.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It's called etymology. If you want to get to the roots of words, understanding etymology,

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_06]: it's also known by some initiates and practitioners of alchemy as the phonetic cabala.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's cabala spelled with a C, C, A, B, A, L, A, as opposed to cabala with a K.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's a differentiation between those two things.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And most people are totally unaware that those are separate things because we see the multiple spellings of the term cabala.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And we wonder what's up with that? Well, cabala when you see it spelled with a C is referring to this phonetic cabala.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And this is an important thing to be able to trace.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Though when we see different variations, cabala spelled with a C as derived from the same root word that the word horse comes from in various languages and like Spanish and some of the other romance languages Latin.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Cabala with a C think of the horse. This offers the equestrian idea.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So when you see reference to this certain Patricia or whatever of ancient culture, this important person,

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_06]: came from an equestrian family or was of the equestrian class.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not talking about people that raised horses, folks. It's talking about people who understood phonetic cabala.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: They understood the secret societies and the mystery school teachings.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what that's referring to when you see that.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_06]: It's coded language. Now, cabala spelled with a K. This comes from the Jewish people means the tradition or something similar to that.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's what cabala with a K is and there's a differentiation and that has more to do with magical systems and things of that nature.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And this points on another key aspect of alchemy too.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_06]: He says here, the growth of language is continuous.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And by continuing our research is backward from the most modern to the most ancient strata, they work backwards in alchemical processes in many ways.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_06]: They go backwards from the modern and reach back. This is an important element to it.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_06]: He says the very elements in roots of human speech have been reached through that.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_06]: So you could trace things backwards. You can know something more about a certain topic or thing simply by tracing the root words backwards.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's one of the ways that some of these alchemical processes work backwards.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_06]: So think backwards, start from where you're at now and work back to the source point. He also claims here that man means the thinker and the first manifestation of thought is speech.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_06]: But more surprising than the continuity of the growth of language is the continuity in the growth of religion.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Of religion as of language, it may be said that in it everything new is old and everything old is new.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And that there has been no entirely new religion since the beginning of the world. The elements and roots of religion were there as far back as we can trace the history of man.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And the history of religion like the history of language shows us throughout a succession of new combinations of the same radical elements.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_06]: In intuition of God, a sense of human weakness and dependence, a belief in the divine government of the world, a distinction between good and evil and a hope for a better life.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_06]: These are some of the radical elements of all religions. Though sometimes hidden they rise again and again to the surface.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Though frequently distorted, they tend again and again to prefer to their perfect form, though always under another name.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_06]: It's all the same only the names have changed.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Somebody should write a song that goes like that it might be a big hit.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, not to get too hung up on that idea, but he's saying here that things get distorted through time, but again and again at some point they reach their perfect form when he's calling a perfect form.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_06]: St. Augustine himself in accordance with this idea said,

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_06]: What is now called the Christian religion has existed among the ancients and was not absent from the beginning of the human race until Christ came in the flesh, from which time the religion which existed already began to be called Christian.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And quote,

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_06]: As we'll be proven in the work now before the reader that the underlying principles in all true religions or sects is the philosophy of fire.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_06]: No matter what the system may be, it is always the same, the very foundation of the secret doctrine and the ancient doctrine is the philosophy of fire and it says here love.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's equating fire to love as the philosophy of fire.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: In the work before the reader quotations have been made from the secret teachings of the greater sects of the fraternities and orders who were most instrumental in shaping the religious beliefs of the people, the only one not so dealt with is Zoraster.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm going to pause there. Well, isn't that the first guy that you guys seem to attribute everything to?

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, why wouldn't you go back to his teachings? The original teachings was he teaching something different than what you guys had brought forward through all these other different fraternities and orders that were instrumental in shaping the religious foundations and beliefs of people.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm? Why would you not do so for Zoraster? Well, let's read on.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Before the time of Zoraster, the Persians, like the early Egyptians, worshipped in the open air.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Long after other nations had constructed temples as they considered the broad expanse of heavens as the sublime covering of temples devoted to the worship of deity.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Their places of sacrifice were much like those of the Northern nations of Europe, composed of circles of upright stones, rough and unhumed, stone-hange, people think of stone-ange.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_06]: They abominated images and worshipped the sun and fire as representatives of the omnipresent deity.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_06]: They were idolatres, folks, according to this. So they worshipped the physical nature around them in place of the deity. This is a type of idolatry.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_06]: The Jews, even though they did not belong to the inner circle of any order and thus only followed the exoteric religious ceremonies,

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_06]: were not exempt from the worship of fire, saying God appeared in the cherubim over the gate of Eden as a flaming sword and to Abraham as flame of fire

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_06]: to Moses as a fire in the bush at Horib and to the whole assembly of the people at Sinai when he descended upon the mountain in fire.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Moses himself told them that their God was a consuming fire which was re-ecoed more than once and then the Jews were weak enough to worship the material substance in lieu of the invisible and eternal God

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_06]: and this is the heart of anti-Semitism.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Another way in which the rose accrucian brotherhood has very racist typologies behind it.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Because they're claiming here, the Jews, they were never worthy, they were never part of any inner circle of any of the orders. They didn't understand the mysteries but certainly the mystery teachings leaked out to them.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Because their God that they worshiped was an expression of these mystery school teachings but there was no official mystery school.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_06]: That brought these secret teachings out to the open and exoteric form.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_06]: So they are claiming here that these people had ignorance of the true doctrine, the secret doctrine.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And that they were sort of backward savages. That's the inference being made here.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_06]: We could have a little bit more insight as to why it is that the Jewish people are so targeted by many of these positions of power in this world or maybe why they've stepped into positions of power in this world or why they're blamed for everything.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Is another good way to put it?

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you ever wonder that? Why is it always the Jews involved with everything here?

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, perhaps this is one of the reasons why. Because apparently the secret society groups have a very low opinion of them.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Because they think that they've taught a distortion of the mystery teachings, the secret doctrine see.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_06]: They think that they've distorted the secret doctrine somehow or another.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And it goes the same with Christianity because Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism, of the Jewish religion.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_06]: They all come from the same source. So they see this as being a perversion of the secret doctrine which they know this philosophy of fire,

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_06]: which is the foundation of all religions except somehow or another they just got the exoteric form of this.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And the Jews found the exoteric form of this but had no official mystery school or anything attached to it, so they didn't know the truth behind it all.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And these are the things that are taught within these secret society groups.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_06]: You're claiming here that the Jews, they were weak and they worshiped the material substance, the fire and the sun.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_06]: In lieu of the invisible and eternal God that's in his words here, right in this book, not me saying that. Okay, just so you understand where I'm coming from here.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_06]: This is not my words, this is theirs. This is absolutely what they believe it's written in black and white in their own books.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Zoraster succeeded in persuading them to enclose their secret fire alters, in covered towers because being on elevated and exposed hills, the fire was liable to be extinguished by storms.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_06]: These were circular buildings covered with domes, having small openings at the top to let out the smoke.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_06]: A Jew entered a parasy temple and beheld the sacred fire. What said he to the priest, do you worship the fire?

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Not the fire answered the priest. It is to us the emblem of the sun and his genial heat.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you then worship the sun as your God ask the Jew? No ye not that this luminary. Also is but a work of the Almighty Creator.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_06]: We know it replied the priest, but the uncultivated man requires a sensible sign in order to form a conception of the most high and is not the sun, the incomprehensible source of light, in image of that invisible being who blesses and preserves all things.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Do your people then rejoined the Israelite, distinguish the type from the original. They call the sun their God and descending even from this to a baser object.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_06]: They kneel before an earthly flame. Emoot amused the outward but blind the inward eye. And while ye hold to them the earthly, you draw from them the heavenly light.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_06]: They shall not make unto thyself any image or likeness. How do you designate the supreme being ask the parasy? We call him Jehovah Adenai that is the Lord who is, who was and who will be answered the Jew.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Your Appalachian is grand and sublime said the parasy but it is awful too. A Christian then drew Nai and said we call him Father, the pagan and the Jew looked at each other and said, here is at once an image and a reality. It is a word of the heart.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Therefore they all raise their eyes to heaven and said with reverence and love, and it says in quotation marks here, fire. Our Father and they took each other by the hand and all three called one another, brother. Thus, as has already been stated, the names of religious systems may be different but the underlying principle is ever the same.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_06]: No matter what exoteric systems of religion may be studied, it will always be found that God is a quote unquote consuming fire. In the teachings of the ancient mysteries, this is much more true for the reason that in these mysteries we are taught that this living fire or what this living fire is.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Ever since the most ancient times divine wisdom has taught the same doctrines through the mouths of the wise, Hermes Trismagistus, Confucius and Zoraster, Budus, Buda and Jesus the Christ.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Played O and Socrates, St. Martin and Yacca Bowman. The Ofrastes, Parasylesis, Cornelius, Agrippa, Shakespeare and Chopin Hauer, PB Randolph and Freeman B. Dowd,

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_06]: and others have taught the same truths more or less complete because they were all from the same school of philosophy.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Each of these teachers closed them in a form most suitable to his own understanding or adapted to the comprehension of his disciples.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to pause right there, folks. So they're trying to put Jesus Christ on par with these other personalities.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Hermes Trismagistus, Confucius, Zoraster, Buda, Plato, Socrates, St. Martin, Yacca Bowman, Theo Frastes, Parasylesis, Cornelius, Agrippa, Shakespeare.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think Shakespeare is on the same level as Jesus? I sure don't. So it PB Randolph especially here.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_06]: If you don't know anything about PB Randolph, go back and look at some of my past videos concerning that topic.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And maybe you'll have a better understanding of who these people are in these secret society groups and what it is they truly believe and push.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_06]: No one can claim that any of these teachings are their own. The Christ said, and notice he says the Christ, right?

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Said, The doctrines which I teach are not my own, but it is the truth which teaches them through me. He that teaches his own doctrines and theories speaketh of himself.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He is acting under the impulse of earthly ambition and seeketh his own glory and not the glory of God, but he that seeks to glorify not himself but God by giving expression to the truth of which he is conscious is true and no evil can be in him.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Live so that you may know the truth, not be external, not by external appearances and argumentation, but by its own inherent power, be true and you will know the truth.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_06]: The organism of man, he said, resembles a kingdom its capital is the mind and its temple the soul. In that capital and temple there are many false prophets as there are in Jerusalem.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_06]: There are the Pharisees of sophistry and false logic, credulity and skepticism and the scribes are the prejudices and erroneous opinions and grafted upon the memory.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Do not listen to what these false prophets say, but listen to the voice of wisdom that speaks in your heart.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_06]: For verily I say unto you the temple, built of speculations which the scribes have erected will be destroyed and not one of the dogmas and theories of which it has been constructed will remain when the day of judgment appears.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So once again the inference here is this was the Christ that said this, who he calls the Christ.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not going to find this quote in any Bible I've ever seen folks because Jesus never said this in my view. So who is the Christ he's talking about and who did the Christ say this to?

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's continue on once again this next section also has quotation marks around it so the inference here is this is also the Christ speaking.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_06]: See the truth enters your heart bearing the palm leaf the symbol of peace.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Let it abide in you and abide yourself in the truth. There is no other worship acceptable to the universal God, but to keep his commandments which he reveals to you through the power of divine wisdom whose voice speaks in your higher consciousness.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Love one another and as you grow in unselfish love so will you grow in wisdom?

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Open your hearts and see the image of the true God within them. He is not to be found in man-made churches

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_06]: And if anyone tells you Christ is in this church or he is in that one do not believe it, but seek for God within your own heart.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Let not the Pharisees and the scribes and the intellectual powers of your own mind will mislead you

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_06]: But listen to the divine voice of intuition which speaks at the center of your soul and quote. So he's equating all of those words also to the Christ. What can we garner from all this?

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not talking about Jesus. He's not talking about Jesus Christ written of in the Bible, although he's making the inference to such a thing.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_06]: He's claiming these words come from that same individual or from the spirit of that individual or from the office of that individual.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of this is teaching you things that are counter to what's taught in the Bible. Listen to your higher consciousness.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_06]: You'll grow in your own wisdom, seek for God within your own heart and there's nothing wrong with seeking for God in your own heart.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_06]: There are some absolute moral foundations and natural laws that govern this place that we need to abide by. This is where we could go wrong. Okay, this is where we could be misled.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's the idea here. He's telling you, trust the voice of your intuition which speaks at the center of your soul, the divine voice of intuition.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And I understand and I agree intuition is a powerful thing and sometimes it can be divided and inspired, but I don't think it always is. Okay, and I don't think that necessarily this is a fundamental truth here.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I think this is a subversion of different ideals that are taught in the biblical account and I see how it goes counter to a lot of truths that I now and have experienced in my life.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I have reason to be suspicious of these claims that Dr. Kwaner makes here, but let's continue reading and we're almost done here folks will wrap it up very soon.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Thus, Christ agrees with the fundamental doctrine of the hierarchical science taught by our true fraternities of the present day. I.e. that man is the product of his own thoughts.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_06]: He is that which he makes himself by the way he thinks in acts for his external form is nothing but an outward symbol of his internal character modified by the want of plasticity of the gross matter.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Composing his body for gross matter is not sufficiently plastic to change in form as rapidly as his thoughts. The matter composing this soul is more plastic.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_06]: If our thoughts are continually low and vulgar, it will become become correspondingly degraded but if we are continually thinking of a high ideal, our ideal will take form within ourselves.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_06]: If we are satisfied with a belief in historical Christ without seeking to cause or enable a Christ to grow within ourselves, such a belief will not be merely useless but it will be in impediment in our way to perfection and I'm going to pause there again folks.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Once again, like I said, is why Christ is a stumbling block for these people because they can't deny his divine authority.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_06]: They won't deny his divine authority. In fact, what they usually do is they try to make it sound as if he was an initiate of their order.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Christ, when he walked the earth here, well he was one of their great masters and teachers. One of the greatest there ever was within their particular orders.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And that, you know, he was in secret teaching people these same secret doctrine. When there's no foundation of truth in that at all. He confounds everything they teach.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Everything they teach is the polar opposite of what Christ taught when he walked the earth and they try because they cannot, they cannot deny his divine authority.

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_06]: So they try to make it sound as if he was one of them. Okay? And that this is what he really meant.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And that, oh, didn't you not know that he taught this other stuff in secret to only his disciples and his select few initiates in the order?

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And this is how they try to get around this. But you know what? A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie. Okay? You can't hide the truth for long. All right?

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And even though these people claim to be the arbiter of truth, what's the purpose of secrets? Why would you keep a secret?

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_06]: If something is true and something is good and something is upright, why would it have to be kept secret?

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't want to hear the argument of don't cast your pearls before swine bit. That doesn't truly apply to something of this magnitude or importance.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Why if there's some spiritual reality out there that is absolutely fundamental and foundational to being human and having an understanding of who our creator is and what exactly and who exactly we are in this world, why would this have to be hidden?

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's kind of they are you may hear with these secret society groups and these quote unquote mystery schools.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_06]: It's because they want power themselves.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what it's about, it's about power and control for themselves. So they want to keep some of these secret doctrines that they talk about hidden from mankind.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Some of these old, alchemical sciences, these different ways that we could understand fundamentally better the way that nature operates and how some of these forces can be used, how some of these things truly operate.

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And they obviously skate and they confuse their the authors of confusion in deception.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what goes on here.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_06]: If all these things, all this secret knowledge that they're keeping from us is something good.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_06]: That could affect everybody in a positive way why do they have to keep it secret?

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't make sense.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It defies logic to think in that way and they understand this and this is why once again I'll say Jesus Christ is a stumbling block for them because he taught the opposite.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_06]: He taught no one is worthy of salvation for all have sinned in fall short of the glory of God and that he came as a perpetuation for that sin and to be a bridge from us to reconnect us with the Godhead, right?

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_06]: To reconnect us with source.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_06]: He came to fulfill the law that man can't keep these moral foundations of these true moral things within the natural order.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_06]: These moral foundations, he came to fulfill all of that because we are incapable of doing so in our fallen state.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_06]: So he came to remedy that situation and he offers it as a free gift to everybody and it absolutely drives these people insane because they want you to become an initiate of their order and seek their secret teachings and

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_06]: and a bottle around at their feet in almost a worshipful type way because they're so sophisticated and smart and they know the secrets and they could teach you the secrets if you only do what they say as long as you're worthy enough that is.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_06]: But you have to have proof that you're worthy enough before you can even maybe join one of these secret orders.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Proof that you could keep a secret, right?

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_06]: That's one of the foundational things and then you have to swear blood oaths that you won't betray the secrets of the order to the profane, the outsider.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Well why is that?

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Because maybe the profane will learn that you know maybe the the lustre of these secret groups is in all that it's cracked up to be.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_06]: That maybe there's something evil going on at the topmost levels, something bad, something that's counter to what we would consider the good of the people.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So is this what the secret fire is all about?

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_06]: The philosophy of fire.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Who's to say for sure, but I don't think they really hit them or cure folks.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that much of these ideas have been convoluted through time and put through the lens of the agenda of the particular secret society group of the time or of the age.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And I find it very telling that the original teachings which were attributed to Zoraaster, well they don't have the record of that but they have the record of everything after that.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And they know what happened beforehand that backwards people, they just they worshiped the sun and they worshiped fire.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_06]: They couldn't realize that these were intended as symbols or symbolism of the invisible God and they actually worship these things.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_06]: So do you understand what's been done here? How some of these very old scientific and alchemical principles have been distorted through the years and through the generations by these mystery schools and their teachings, all for the sake of maintaining some type of power or notoriety, all to prop up the egos of men.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And they claim to be righteous and they claim to do good. And I firmly believe there's some people that join these orders that that's their intention, they just want to be better people and they they want to learn and be able to help other people.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't doubt that there's some of those out there but the vast majority are so deceived at the end of the day they really think that their farts smell like roses don't they?

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's I don't know a kind or way to say it, but they think they're doing good and they think what they're teaching is true even though there's a path you could if you use the the processes that they lay out.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_06]: You could trace back this path and find distortions along the way and find where things have been convoluted or twisted and then where the sources absolutely drop off the map and are nowhere to be found.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_06]: So you could trace things back and know a little something we could go as far back as Zoraster but not know what it is exactly that Zoraster taught except for the the future iterations of the mystery schools claim that he may have taught but we don't have the original source.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_06]: We don't know and that's basically what he's saying here say we could trace all the mystery teachings through this particular mythos or that mythos and this kind of thing.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And we have all this we have the records going back Dr. Klamour claimed to have all these records except for those of Zoraster.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Now did he have the records of Zoraster and we he distorted them or hid them or did away with them for whatever reason because he had ambitions of his own and those didn't align with that.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Or were these things convoluted and twisted before that time and hidden by some prior generation of these secret society groups.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm is that possible too?

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Were these all the original teachings are the things they are teaching today? Were these the true teachings that they claim came from Atlantis?

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Is this all true? Were these really the foundations of all religions in the world? Is the philosophy of fire? Really the thing behind all religious organizations in the world?

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Is that really the truth? Is the sacred fire?

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Really something that they revere.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Are they talking about the invisible world or are they talking about the visible representation of fire here?

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And we could see all the delineations and lions being drawn here and perhaps on some future broadcast they'll go a little deeper into the philosophy of fire.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And I've done a little bit about this before the things that they teach are sort of counterintuitive in many ways, but they're also logical in certain ways as well aren't they?

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's the whole key here. It's hard to discern what's true and what's right from what's not right within it.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But at the same token there are some valuable truths to be found in there, but it does require a great deal of discernment to be able to pick through those and tear them apart one by one

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: to try to get at the root of truth. What is the truth in this situation? There's no true evidence that any of this stuff ties back to what they call ancient Atlantis

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_06]: or that any of these teachings from Atlantis were genuine. There's no way to prove or disprove any of this stuff.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Some of these foundational teachings have become so much a part of modern occultism and have been convoluted and twisted in many ways,

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_06]: which actually serve the purposes of the dark occultists at the top of the power structure here today.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's the case, I don't think a lot of these old teachings, old alchemical processes and things like that.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_06]: At any ill will or bad intention behind them, it's just the people that have seized control of these secrets and developed it into this secret doctrine,

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_06]: have twisted and perverted in such a way that it only benefits those initiates of these orders. So it gives them a type of power over your average person or the public,

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: or who they would call the profane. And that's what it's all about. It's all about maintaining control and power over others.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the secret at the top of all the secret societies. And that's the bottom line.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: So they use some of these old sciences, these things that were understood in the ancient world that we've been taught to think of as being backward superstition and things like that.

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_06]: They learned how to use and manipulate some of these energies. And they know a little bit more about how these occult sciences and things work,

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_06]: and they're not a physical processes. But at the end of the day, the claims that they make are not do not hold up to master when you actually test them out.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_06]: With that being said, I think I'm going to end it there tonight. Thanks everyone for tuning in.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I hope you all have a good night. And I hope we all learned a little bit of something here.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_06]: It's always fun and interesting to go through some of these books and try to pick through and find some hidden gems written within the pages.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_06]: So thank you for tuning in. We'll catch you next time. Have a good night.

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