The Kecksburg UFO Incident...

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[00:00:30] Your listening to the Alchemical Tech Revolution and I am your host Wayne McRoy.

[00:00:57] Good evening, good morning wherever you are around the world today, tonight.

[00:01:03] On the Alchemical Tech Revolution we're going to discuss the Kexberg UFO incident.

[00:01:10] This is a famous event in Uphology circles that happened back in 1965 and there were of course some connections made.

[00:01:21] By some researchers back to what is commonly known as the Nazi Bell Project, Dglaka.

[00:01:29] And this was said to be some type of an electro-gravity engine that was developed by the Nazis during the phases of World War II.

[00:01:42] To make aircraft perform in some unconventional ways.

[00:01:50] Now this was largely the story put out by the UFO community, the Uphology community and of course we had some serious hard-hitting researchers that were looking into that.

[00:02:04] And maybe there's some aspects of truth to it and maybe there's not.

[00:02:08] We do know that certain scientists in Nazi Germany were developing certain types of technologies, developing different types of engines like Victor Schalberger with his repulsing engine that he was producing.

[00:02:24] We know some of this was going on but many have actually connected the dots and connected this Kexberg UFO incident to the Nazi Bell Project.

[00:02:37] Now we're going to see as we delve into the research here tonight that some of those connections may be speary as at best and nobody really knows for sure what exactly fell from the sky in Kexberg that night.

[00:02:52] On December 9th 1965.

[00:02:55] The problem is much of this is shrouded in not only mystery but disinformation as well as we'll see.

[00:03:03] As we read here tonight about this incident and what is known about it and the possibility that there could be a more terrestrial explanation for it than that of UFOs or Nazi technology.

[00:03:16] Well, Nazi technology and in of itself is a terrestrial development.

[00:03:21] So even if that is the case doesn't necessarily equate to something beyond human capacities to make.

[00:03:31] But we'll see as we get into this some of the details of this event and what had actually happened and what's been recorded.

[00:03:39] And perhaps how some of it has been stretched to fulfill the UFO mythos that has overtaken our modern ways of thinking.

[00:03:53] You'll see that there always seems to be this underlying archetype behind all of it.

[00:04:00] They want to stretch your imagination to accept extraterrestrial origins for many of these things and that might not necessarily be the case.

[00:04:10] Now does that discount the possibility of extraterrestrial aliens from other planets flying here in spaceships and crashing?

[00:04:21] No, it doesn't discount that possibility but if you think about it logically that doesn't seem to add up.

[00:04:28] Why would so many different extraterrestrial spaceships be coming here and crashing?

[00:04:32] How many crash retrieval stories have we heard through the years if you've been following the uFology community for any length of time?

[00:04:40] You hear about not a lot of these.

[00:04:44] Seems a little bit strange that they could cross the expanse of the infinite void of space that they have the technology to do so but they're still not sophisticated enough to not crash in the desert.

[00:05:01] Think about that.

[00:05:04] Think about that for a second. It defies logical probability in many regards but still we have this notion and this possibility of things and of course there are those that want to believe,

[00:05:16] and those that want to believe well they'll come to the conclusions that they want to about these types of things

[00:05:24] and it doesn't help that there's been a massive cover-up about all of this stuff.

[00:05:29] And what are the reasons for the cover-up and what is the nature of the cover-up?

[00:05:33] And that is what we need to explore the possibilities of.

[00:05:38] The thing is, although it's unexplained phenomena,

[00:05:45] the whole UFO uphology culture has adopted wholesale,

[00:05:52] the logical extension that these are extraterrestrial technologies.

[00:05:58] And this is elevated into what can be referred to as a UFO mythos of sorts.

[00:06:06] It's a modern-day mythology that has been developed out of some of these events and some of these interpretations of events.

[00:06:16] And we'll see, excuse me, at the heart of a lot of it lies the intelligence community in a couple select players within the intelligence community

[00:06:31] that have promulgated a lot of this information relating these things to extraterrestrials.

[00:06:38] Now, what do we know about that?

[00:06:43] What can we say about that?

[00:06:46] Hard to tell on the surface level, but you see this is what's called controlled leaks.

[00:06:56] This is a controlled information release given by these government and intelligence officials.

[00:07:03] And whether it's true or not, is still open for debate.

[00:07:07] Do these things have extraterrestrial origins? Or do they originate right here on Earth?

[00:07:13] Now, from all the years I've been studying this phenomenon and looking into these different things,

[00:07:19] I would say that there's a combination of factors at play here, but I would say for the most part,

[00:07:26] most of what we see described in Uphology as extraterrestrial technologies or retrievals and things like this

[00:07:37] is largely man-made technologies and cover-ups and siops to hide man-made technologies and developments.

[00:07:49] And we'll go a little further into this in some future episodes upcoming here, because I've been really taking a deep dive into the UFO topic as of late going back

[00:07:59] and reviewing some of these different events that are known and popularized by television programs like those on the History Channel about these events.

[00:08:09] And one of my favorite shows, actually many years back, going back about 20 years or so, aired on the History Channel.

[00:08:17] It was called UFO Files. I think you could still find it out there on the internet.

[00:08:21] And it talks about many of these famous UFO cases, and Kexberg was one of those.

[00:08:28] And the cinematography on it is good, and they always get some people that are well known in the Uphology community like Bill Burn and others to comment on certain cases.

[00:08:39] And it was an interesting show, and it was one of my favorites at that time because it discussed many of these things that weren't really brought up a lot in the mainstream media.

[00:08:51] It was an interesting show, and it really lays the groundwork, and that's a good show to go to as an example of how some of this modern UFO mythos gets popularized out there.

[00:09:03] Now they still do the same thing with other shows on the History Channel like Ancient Aliens and various other ones, and not just the History Channel.

[00:09:11] There's other channels now that put out a lot of these popular programs really kind of pushing the extraterrestrial narrative.

[00:09:21] Now there are those who have studied this for a long time, who firmly believe and have come to the conclusion that the extraterrestrial narrative is probably the most probable.

[00:09:33] I don't necessarily agree with that. I kind of go towards the research and study of those like Jacques Valet and John Keel in that regard.

[00:09:45] I think there's a real phenomenon here going on, and it's a combination of factors. I think it's a combination of different human technologies being used military technologies that are being covered up for obvious reasons as well as there's another component involved.

[00:10:05] So I think it's a little closer to the Earth than say the extraterrestrial hypothesis would explore.

[00:10:15] And of course they've used terms like ultra-terrestrial or extra-dimensional to describe these things.

[00:10:22] I think whatever the nature of the phenomenon is, it is centered right here on Earth. It has to do with human consciousness and our interaction with the various facets of the interconnecting spiritual realms around us.

[00:10:37] So it has that type of a connotation to it in my view. I think it goes beyond the bounds of what we could perceive with our five natural senses here.

[00:10:47] And that there's something deeper going on. There's deeper layers of our reality than what we realize.

[00:10:53] And sometimes when we have encounters of this sort, we're experiencing something more akin to that than we are.

[00:11:04] Extra-terrestrial beings from other planets flying here across the massive void of space in their spaceships and showing up here. Now I do reserve the right to be totally wrong on all of that.

[00:11:18] It just seems to be, to me, the more probable explanation for this would be the ones presented by researchers like Keel and Valet towards the ends of their exploration into this.

[00:11:32] Because we've had this type of phenomenon with us for all of recorded human history and of course before recorded history.

[00:11:41] And of course, my delving into the research of the secret society groups and the occult brotherhoods also seems to overlap with this.

[00:11:53] Now they're describing the same things from different vantage points.

[00:11:58] And perhaps these things were known by ancient cultures or were more readily accepted by ancient cultures.

[00:12:05] And I don't know the true nature of all of it.

[00:12:11] But the thing is, it seems to be the further and the deeper we delve into the popular topic of uphology into the pop culture type of narrative presented by uphology in the modern day.

[00:12:29] We come across the siaap angle of all of it and we discover that it is steeped in deception.

[00:12:40] Now, is this all by design by the intelligence community to hide some of their projects perhaps?

[00:12:47] I think it goes a little deeper than that. I think the nature of the phenomenon itself is steeped in deception.

[00:12:56] And then a lot of it has to do with directly with perception and consciousness as I've stated before.

[00:13:02] So people's interpretations are varied in regard to this nature of the phenomenon.

[00:13:10] But we can prove by going back and looking through some of these stories that have become more mainstreamed in the uphology culture,

[00:13:20] we can discover that there is indeed deception going on.

[00:13:25] And perhaps there are facts about the cases that are known that kind of don't get discussed in awful lot in order to keep that mythos alive because it is an archetype

[00:13:38] and it is a myth representation.

[00:13:41] And it's important because it affects the human psyche in various ways.

[00:13:47] And it keeps the mystery alive and they have a vested interest in doing so for some obvious and some not-so-obvious reasons.

[00:13:56] So without further ado, we're going to get into the reading here tonight.

[00:14:01] We're going to be reading from the NASA conspiracies, the truth behind the moon landings, censored photos and the face on Mars by Nick Redfern.

[00:14:10] And to be fair, I don't necessarily agree with Redfern's conclusions on a lot of things or his interpretation but he does present a lot of different factual information and he is a valuable source of information in the UFO topic.

[00:14:25] So we're going to read into this. We're going to be reading about the crash at Kexberg and we're going to explore the avenues of thought surrounding this event.

[00:14:37] I think it's overdue going back and looking at the UFO topic again because it is right at the forefront of public consciousness right now.

[00:14:49] Despite all the other things in the world going on, even though we have wars and rumors of wars going on in the world and we have all of this talk about perhaps new pandemic situations and earthquakes in various places

[00:15:05] and weather events, natural disasters, all of these things foretold in the book of Revelation going on right now.

[00:15:14] Still, last summer we had whistleblowers, alleged whistleblowers come out and put on the congressional record that UFO crash retrievals had gone on

[00:15:32] and that extraterrestrial craft had been recovered and extraterrestrial bodies had been recovered, at least that's the inference they made.

[00:15:42] They called them nonhuman biologics which that's a very vague term but this is what came out and this came out in the congressional record and that used to be a big deal and it should still be a big deal.

[00:15:58] But nothing's really rolled forward since then about any of this in the public.

[00:16:04] It's kind of on the back burner but it's still out there central in the forefront of the minds of a lot of people, especially those who delve heavily into the UFO topic.

[00:16:19] There's a lot of people watching and waiting for some type of disclosure event and I don't think we're going to get disclosure like those hopeful uphologist want, not in the way they want anyway.

[00:16:37] But we are seeing a lot of this stuff trickle to the forefront of the human mind right now.

[00:16:43] So even though it seems like it's on the back burner with other events in the world happening, it's still inherent right there just beneath the surface and people are watching and waiting for something to happen.

[00:16:59] I mean you look around in the world right now and see the state of the world.

[00:17:05] And people are expecting something big to happen.

[00:17:11] We're seeing all these events lining up, we're at a critical crossroads in human history right now.

[00:17:18] And I think there's those within the uphology community that are just waiting for those benevolent space brothers to intervene.

[00:17:26] Of course I say that tongue in cheek.

[00:17:30] But certainly there are some out there that firmly believe that.

[00:17:37] That some of these extraterrestrials have an interest in human kinds well being and further quote unquote evolution.

[00:17:50] And of course we've explored this idea and how it relates back to the occult and the mystery schools ad nauseam here.

[00:17:57] So we're not going to touch on that tonight but I want to get back right into the reading here.

[00:18:04] The Kecksburg UFO incident crash at Kecksburg late in the afternoon of December 9th 1965 after having been first seen high in the sky as a glowing ball of fire that crossed a number of US states and even parts of Canada.

[00:18:22] And an object of distinctly unknown origins perhaps a literal alien spaceship from some distant world slammed into the ground in deep shadowy woods near the small Pennsylvania town of Kecksburg which is situated approximately 30 miles southeast of the city of Pittsburgh.

[00:18:41] In the immediate aftermath of the controversial event dark tales of military personnel descending upon the scene like veritable flies of witnesses being silenced of a UFO of alien bodies having been found in the woods and of conspiracies of a near cosmic kind abounded.

[00:18:59] And to this date continued to do so.

[00:19:02] Fortunately none of the reported intimidation of witnesses has prevented the vast majority of them from telling their startling stories of that long gone day.

[00:19:12] And NASA as some researchers of the affair have concluded continues to stonewall at every opportunity on its reportedly secret knowledge of what did or did not happen on that memorable day in those dark and pencil venue woods.

[00:19:28] Gonna pause for a moment here.

[00:19:30] So yes at the time there were many eyewitnesses who claimed military police cordoned off the area and they had seen something taken away on a flatbed truck.

[00:19:40] Some of them recorded it was an acorn shaped object roughly acorn shaped.

[00:19:51] And later some more stories had come out about this incident and still to this day it shrouded in mystery.

[00:20:00] And as Redfern points out NASA stonewalls any information that they know about it of course NASA may really not know much of anything about it because it's not NASA's mandate to do anything like that.

[00:20:13] You see NASA is nothing more than a public relations office for alleged space programs that go on in the US here.

[00:20:24] It's a front let's put it that way it's a front it's a PR front to public relations front.

[00:20:32] It's always been intertwined with the intelligence community and the military.

[00:20:39] You see it is a military division people never realize that so of course they're going to keep things secret.

[00:20:50] It's part of their presence in the world that's what it's designed to do it's to keep things hidden

[00:21:00] because make no doubt about it behind the scenes they have been working on different technologies that they want to keep hidden from the world.

[00:21:08] Under the designation of quote unquote space programs and they have whole organizations that were founded and operational

[00:21:18] that have developed certain technologies in secret for a long time that NASA is the cover for.

[00:21:26] Organizations like the NRO the National Reconnaissance Office that existed in secret for the better part of 30 years before it's very existence was even disclosed to the public

[00:21:41] before anybody even knew it existed. It operated completely in secret so the notion that some people put forward that governments can't keep secrets or people can't keep secrets is false.

[00:21:54] That organization operated covertly for over 30 years before anybody had any inkling that it even existed and I'm sure there's others that we probably don't even know about that are still operating in secret.

[00:22:11] But at any rate we see here now this is the story of Kexberg something came down out of the sky was seen

[00:22:23] it crashed in the woods of Kexberg and a military presence very shortly became active there, cordoned off the area and took something out of there.

[00:22:39] kept the citizens away from it, kept the population of the region away from it and secreted away probably to write Patterson don't know where it went exactly but we'll see let's read the story here this is the accepted story or narrative of the Kexberg event as presented in the mainstream on places like the history channel

[00:23:04] and of course through the other researches that have been done on this. Stan Gordon a dedicated and intrepid researcher and writer on a wide range of anomalies has done more than just about anyone else to try to unravel the many and varied complexities of the Kexberg affair.

[00:23:22] For example during the course of his research he uncovered the account of a bill Bully Bush who was tuning his CB radio in his car that 1965 afternoon when he looked up to see the fiery object moving from Norveld toward the mountain near Laurelville.

[00:23:40] Bully Bush said that the object appeared to hesitate over the Laurelville area noted Gordon adding that the craft then made a turn and then began to travel northeast toward Kexberg where he saw it descending.

[00:23:54] It appears that the object may have been slowing down before its descent into the woods near Kexberg only miles away.

[00:24:01] Clearly this is an important testimony if the unknown object that came down at Kexberg possessed the ability to actually slow down its movements in mid-air then it can hardly have been a chunk of space rock.

[00:24:14] Rather the words of Bully Bush strongly suggest the object was under some form of intelligent control.

[00:24:21] Not surprisingly when one takes into consideration the fact that this was a relatively small and close-knit community, the Kexberg affair was immediately thereafter major news as a local event.

[00:24:33] As prime evidence of this at 9 p.m. on the same night that all hell was breaking loose around Kexberg the local radio station KDKA broadcast a statement to its listeners many of whom were keenly and fully aware that something very weird was well and truly afoot in the immediate area.

[00:24:50] The station excitedly reported that an unidentified flash of orange-colored light in the sky had prompted numerous people throughout Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania and the Ontario province of Canada to contact the military and emergency services to report their own sightings of the mysterious intruder.

[00:25:10] As a result elements of the Air Force took careful initial steps to try and resolve the mystery but publicly at least could find no evidence whatsoever that either an aircraft or a missile was the definitive culprit.

[00:25:24] Meanwhile added KDKA, the Federal Aviation Authority had offered the seemingly plausible suggestion that the unknown object could have been one of two things.

[00:25:37] First it could have been a meteor burning up in the Earth's atmosphere or the charred remains of a space vehicle whether American or Russian that was viewed well it was re-entering the atmosphere.

[00:25:49] Perhaps not surprisingly staff at local missile bases chose not to make immediate comments as the radio station noted quote,

[00:25:57] they say they will issue a statement within a half hour many persons in the Greensburg area saw the phenomena, they are investigating the Oakdale missile master was contacted.

[00:26:09] They said a release is coming up speculation also is that an army missile went astray and quote,

[00:26:16] significantly there was deep debate and speculation on the part of many of the town's folk of Kexberg that what had really come down near their little town was nothing less than a craft from ET itself.

[00:26:31] Certainly on the day and night at issue, the whole town was a hotbed of chaotic activity in wild rumour.

[00:26:38] Local firefighters media journalists and the radio news director from WHJB Radio all quickly descended upon the scene.

[00:26:47] They described seeing a sizable and significant military presence either on the outskirts of or deep inside the dense woods.

[00:26:56] Something strange surely was a foot and just maybe it was something alien too.

[00:27:02] A significant body of individuals said that while trying to determine what had happened in the woods they were confronted by numerous uniformed personnel brandishing firearms no less.

[00:27:13] Others meanwhile stated unequivocally that they saw an impressively sized metallic looking device at the site that was subsequently removed by the military.

[00:27:24] Given the fact that such cloaked dagger activity was a foot it is no surprise at all that only one day later the Tribune Review newspaper which covered the area in question gave this sensational story pride of place on its pages and it said quote, so I guess was the headline.

[00:27:42] Unidentified flying object falls near Kexberg Army ropes off area end quote.

[00:27:50] So I'm going to pause for a moment so this created quite a flurry of activity in the area and of course the media the local media sensationalized the whole thing.

[00:28:02] It seems to be the case with a lot of these UFO reports that come in.

[00:28:08] You see this one had attracted a lot of attention and it's strange that whatever this object was decided to fall into the dense woods of the area rather than closer to some occupied area.

[00:28:25] And there was a military presence there according to many witnesses.

[00:28:32] And of course we have this newspaper headline that captured the imaginations of the world the next day.

[00:28:41] An identified flying object falls near Kexberg Army ropes off area so this always incites suspicion in people when you have a military presence like this.

[00:28:54] That shows up and keeps people out from poking around in there.

[00:29:01] Now did they have real reason to do so maybe maybe not maybe they didn't know the nature of what they were dealing with which was probably the case and they didn't want to put anybody at risk.

[00:29:14] Should it be some perhaps maybe missile that went off course missile test some type of an explosive device or something dangerous that could have potentially hurt people.

[00:29:27] Maybe they were just being mindful of that or maybe there's more to it maybe it is something deeper maybe it was a real unknown well it's still to this day is a real unknown at least that's what they want us to believe.

[00:29:44] But let's continue on with the story here and we'll see what else we could find out.

[00:29:49] This was all in stark contrast to the far more down to earth assertions of the US Air Forces UFO investigative operation project Blue Book.

[00:29:58] A spokesperson for Blue Book said that no US space debris at all had been reported re-entering the Earth's atmosphere on the day in question

[00:30:07] and so could not possibly have accounted for the reported incident.

[00:30:11] But the sensational idea that a spacecraft from another world had crashed or had landed was dismissed as being totally absurd and without any foundation in reality.

[00:30:21] In addition stated the Blue Book representative even though a failed space probe launched by the Soviet Union classified as Cosmos 96 did re-enter the Earth's atmosphere over Canada on that morning

[00:30:34] its particular trajectory meant that it could not have played any sort of role meaningful tangential or otherwise in the strange events at Kecksburg and I'm going to pause for a moment right there folks.

[00:30:47] So now once again we're playing this whole cloaking dagger kind of mentality here so they had actually a plausible explanation.

[00:31:03] But Blue Book said no it couldn't be that why would they say that so this Soviet Cosmos 96 satellite they knew it came down over Canada at the very same time this event occurred.

[00:31:19] But they told people now the trajectory of it wouldn't have landed there that's not it it can't be it well why would they do this?

[00:31:31] Perhaps they had a vested interest in keeping the UFO mythos alive and well.

[00:31:38] You see Occam's razor would say that that is the most likely candidate as to what could have crashed in the woods there.

[00:31:48] But of course they will ignore all that because they have a vested interest in keeping the UFO mythos alive why is that because it offers them deep cover for other research projects

[00:32:00] that they are doing secret research secret programs they are running and this gives them a cover for that.

[00:32:14] You see if you keep the magic alive keep people wondering about this extraterrestrial presence and perhaps the existence of these alien technologies

[00:32:25] and these secret programs that allegedly retrieve crashed alien craft and back engineer them.

[00:32:37] Then that keeps people away from looking into perhaps some real projects that are being developed and going on perhaps investigating that maybe there are some other agencies of foot

[00:32:53] that they didn't know existed like the NRO which existed at this time but was not acknowledged until about 30 years later sometime in the 1990s.

[00:33:07] They probably had been tracking this and probably went and sent retrieval teams to get it because you see this was in the height of the Cold War.

[00:33:28] And I have my opinions about the Cold War I think it's farcical and I think it was only designed to give an excuse to our nation and the Soviet Union to funneling massive amounts of money towards secret military programs.

[00:33:47] Give them justification for doing that for developing certain things.

[00:33:54] You see you create the illusion of this invisible enemy not necessarily invisible in this case but this enemy that's not really an enemy.

[00:34:05] You see the Soviet Union and the United States has always worked very closely together developing certain technologies and researches and of course their intelligence communities

[00:34:21] also have ties together the CIA and the KGB are interlocked as is most odd with both of them.

[00:34:29] You see these intelligence agencies they transcend boundaries national borders and cultures.

[00:34:36] And they have a lot of influence and they exchange information and we see a recent example of this just this past week within the past couple of days.

[00:34:46] There was allegedly this terrorist activity that took place at a concert in Russia.

[00:34:57] And allegedly the United States had given them warning that this was going to happen well ahead of time the intelligence communities communicate.

[00:35:08] This is publicly acknowledged in the media.

[00:35:12] This is the story they tell us anyway this is what they want us to believe in my estimation in my view I think it was a total intelligence agency set up for various reasons but we're not going to get into that here.

[00:35:28] I'm still watching to see how that whole thing shakes out but that's just an example here to show that these intelligence communities these different agencies they exchange information they communicate they work together to identify threats.

[00:35:46] So that being the case the Cold War in my view was a force just an excuse for funneling massive amounts of money towards militarized programs.

[00:35:59] But that's neither here nor there.

[00:36:02] So here we see the logical explanation for this Kexberg event would be this cosmos 96 satellite.

[00:36:11] That would be the logical explanation that would be what outcomes razor would dictate and of course you always have these people who really love this concept of outcomes razor the simplest explanation is the best explanation.

[00:36:28] And it does come in handy at times as an analytical tool but of course they throw that out the window when it comes to UFO culture don't they?

[00:36:41] They only invoke that when it's relevant to whatever agenda they're pushing so it's not relevant in this case because they want to keep this UFO mythos alive they want to keep this extra terrestrial notion alive.

[00:36:58] So therefore blue book said no it's not that Russian satellite couldn't be that.

[00:37:06] And that was the official explanation so this causes more distrust not only in the UFO research community but also in the people as well the basic population as well.

[00:37:18] Because it seemed logical there's a logical explanation but the official government agency that is supposed to study this stuff and give us answers says no it's not that it couldn't be that.

[00:37:34] So it gets accepted by the mainstream press of course and then many people forgot about the incident thereafter but there were some who began to tell more interesting and detailed stories thereafter.

[00:37:54] But let's continue on and see what else we could find out here. The blue book official was also very keen distressed to the local media that the only official presence at the presumed site of the impact was a three person team that had been dispatched by the Air Force from a radar installation located near the city of Pittsburgh.

[00:38:13] Their particular job it was explained to anyone and everyone who might have been willing to listen was to search for any and all evidence of what had possibly come down.

[00:38:23] Officially however nothing was ever found and the only thing the Air Force could suggest by way of some form of explanation was that nothing stranger than an everyday meteorite was the real culprit behind the controversy.

[00:38:37] Witness testimony however strongly suggested otherwise.

[00:38:42] Stan Gordon revealed that in 1990 he had been contacted by a man who invited in him extensive and extraordinary data that appeared to be directly relevant to the Kecksburg event.

[00:38:55] At the time in question the man was attached to an Air Force security team stationed at Lockburn Air Force Base near Columbus Ohio.

[00:39:03] A team that Gordon's informant told him stood watchful and careful guard over the Kecksburg device in a secure aircraft hangar during the early hours of December 10th 1965 after it had been secretly transferred from its impact point in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania.

[00:39:20] Security at the base Gordon was further informed was even more stringent than when President John F. Kennedy had made a visit there some years earlier.

[00:39:31] So the man's revelations went, the object stayed at Lockburn for perhaps only a matter of hours at the most.

[00:39:37] Afterward it was reportedly clandestinely transferred to right patterns in Air Force Base near Dayton Ohio which just happened to be home of the Air Force's foreign technology division and I'm going to pause for a moment here.

[00:39:52] So now we have this unnamed witness who comes forward in 1990, 25 years later and tells Stan Gordon a UFO researcher his story.

[00:40:08] Do you see are you beginning to understand how they keep the magic alive with the UFO mythos with this kind of thing?

[00:40:17] There's always some of these central figures that turn up now Stan Gordon was a known UFO researcher at the time.

[00:40:28] And I'm not saying his research is bad it's not he gives a lot of valuable insights into things but could he be a type of controlled party in this could he be one of those that perhaps

[00:40:44] is being duped by intelligence agency folks or could he be a no knowing asset of the intelligence community disseminating this information it's possible I don't know.

[00:40:57] You see even your very best researchers are sometimes fooled that's the nature of disinformation disinformation is not outright wrong.

[00:41:08] Oftentimes they give you 95% good information and just that little bit of poison to throw you off the path.

[00:41:15] That's how it works.

[00:41:18] And sometimes these well-meaning researchers wind up getting fooled and promoting ideas that aren't necessarily true but they do have true aspects to them.

[00:41:32] So maybe something was recovered in Kexberg and taken away to right Patterson.

[00:41:41] Maybe there's some truth to that I'm not saying that this witness is necessarily false as well but he never really identifies who this witness is.

[00:41:50] That's often the case with a lot of this you'll find that some witness an anonymous witness will come forward

[00:42:00] in a lot of these UFO stories or somebody who allegedly works within the intelligence community will come forward with information an anonymous whistleblower contacting some of these UFO researchers.

[00:42:19] You see that's always the kind of disclosures we get from this kind of stuff.

[00:42:25] So an unknown witness gives a testimony that may or may not be true and it's reported by a UFO researcher and then it's accepted at large by much of the u-phology community is being accurate because sometimes what happens

[00:42:45] is many of these accounts will correspond to one another from these different anonymous tips that different researchers are given.

[00:42:54] So therefore that gives an air of credibility to some of it.

[00:42:59] Now like I said, it's not out of the realm of possibility that something was recovered in the Kexberg woods and taken to right Patterson.

[00:43:07] What was it though? That's the big question but of course we always have this air of mystery to the whole thing.

[00:43:16] So Stan Gordon was contacted by this witness and he said that he was part of this Army Recovery Team and they took it to this base at Lockburn and stayed there for a couple hours under really tight security so it must be something hugely or massively important and secret and then it was taken away to right Patterson.

[00:43:36] And of course this is 25 years after the fact this guy allegedly contacts Stan Gordon and tells him this.

[00:43:44] So make of that what you will.

[00:43:47] An unknown witness, a UFO researcher, 25 years later told this little bit of information.

[00:43:58] Well, let's see what else that we could find out about this story.

[00:44:08] So we see that first of all the official explanation given by those authorities.

[00:44:16] Nothing really came down in the woods they never found anything must have been a meteorite.

[00:44:23] And of course you have eyewitness testimony that says they saw them take something out on the flatbed truck and there were military people there.

[00:44:34] And it keeps this whole air of mystery about it on purpose.

[00:44:40] So next we're going to read on and this says classified this next portion.

[00:44:47] The foreign technology division would have been the ideal location from which any vehicle or device of non-US origins could be carefully examined in depth and amid great secrecy by some of the military's finest scientific minds.

[00:45:03] And it may not just have been a craft of unknown origin that was secretly taken to right Patterson Air Force Base either.

[00:45:10] Some have suggested that alien bodies and astonishingly perhaps even live aliens may very possibly have been found and retrieved at the site of the impact.

[00:45:21] Gonna pause for a moment here folks.

[00:45:23] Of course these revelations once again were things that didn't come out until many years later.

[00:45:29] After the event you see the official reports where something came down in the woods there were military guys present

[00:45:39] and some they took something out of the woods on a flatbed truck.

[00:45:44] That's all that was really reported at the time.

[00:45:48] But of course later you've got people that come out with worn outrageous sounding stories as is always the thing but let's continue on here.

[00:45:58] Possibly of deep relevance to this particularly controversial aspect of the story is the startling account of Don Sebastian,

[00:46:06] a resident of John's town at the time who was in Kexberg area visiting friends when the incredible news about the Kexberg crash broke over the airwaves of the area.

[00:46:16] Notably an attempt by Sebastian and his friends to secure access to what was presumed to be the crash site resulted in them hearing a blood curdling scream quite unlike any other that they had ever heard in their lives before, which echoed around the shadowy woods.

[00:46:33] Sebastian didn't have to think twice about getting the hell out of there and at high speed maybe he didn't even need to think once.

[00:46:42] Confidential. Stan Gordon has heard similar stories of alien creatures having been reportedly found at the scene of the Kexberg incident,

[00:46:51] one particular witness who worked at Wright Patterson Air Force Base at the time and whom Gordon prefers to refer to only as Myron,

[00:47:00] saw quote, a body lying on a workbench in that same room which he estimated to be approximately four to five feet tall and would weigh about 80 pounds and quote,

[00:47:11] and that was described as being quote lizard like.

[00:47:17] So I'm going to pause for a moment here folks.

[00:47:21] So once again Stan Gordon had a secret witness or contact that allegedly worked within the government programs and military programs of Wright Patterson using the codename Myron who described an alien body that he allegedly saw at this time,

[00:47:48] a lizard like being four to five feet tall weighing about 80 pounds.

[00:47:55] This is what the claim is and many UFO researchers and uphologists take these kind of accounts very seriously,

[00:48:06] even though first of all it's an unknown witness who claims to have worked within Wright Patterson

[00:48:16] who claims to have seen this around the time of the Kexberg event and probably disclosed this many years later to Stan Gordon.

[00:48:25] Once again you have a select few of these UFO researchers that seem to crop up again and again and they use these people to filter out information like this,

[00:48:37] to get information into the public mind like this.

[00:48:41] Now does that mean Stan Gordon was he or is he a disinformation asset for these people and if so is he knowingly disinformation asset?

[00:48:58] I don't know, I can't say for sure but you seem to notice oftentimes there's a very small amount of UFO researchers at the heart of many of these things.

[00:49:12] Now in this case in this story much of the information comes from Stan Gordon.

[00:49:18] Well why is that? Why is it always centralized through one or two resources?

[00:49:26] Well it has all the hallmarks of disinformation in that case because you see you can't really verify any of these things he's claiming because it allegedly comes from secret witnesses.

[00:49:41] People he wants to keep safe ostensibly and don't get me wrong if you have legit insider whistle blowers that are coming forward with startling information

[00:49:53] to some degree it does justify keeping their identity secret.

[00:49:58] But is that really the case and you see the disinformation specialists take advantage of this way of thinking?

[00:50:09] Because you wouldn't want to disclose somebody's identity if they were truly in danger of being killed for the information they're disclosing.

[00:50:21] You wouldn't want to do that I mean it's not more or less responsible to do that so you would keep their identity hidden.

[00:50:29] And that's what many of these UFO researchers claim and sometimes you have to wonder is this legit information or is this just a convenient excuse to put nonsense out there?

[00:50:50] And not be able to trace it back to an identifiable source that gives some credibility to it.

[00:50:59] This is all part and parcel of how disinformation campaigns work.

[00:51:04] You see it's got a built in plausible deniability factor because even if some of the information is true you have these unknown witnesses,

[00:51:18] these unknown insiders giving testimony.

[00:51:23] Well the organizations themselves can come out and say no that's all nonsense.

[00:51:28] We don't have any such thing like that.

[00:51:32] And not knowing who the source was, well that doesn't lend credibility to it does it?

[00:51:40] So they take advantage of this fact to promulgate fios in this way.

[00:51:47] And the UFO topic is one of the most siopped subjects out there.

[00:51:52] Let's be honest about it, it is shrouded in mystery and I do think there's a real phenomenon behind it.

[00:51:59] I think there's several different phenomena behind it to be honest.

[00:52:04] It's a multi layered type of a subject.

[00:52:09] There's more to it than nuts and bolts aircraft being seen.

[00:52:16] And I don't know if the hypotheses that they put out there as an explanation for these things are accurate or not.

[00:52:25] But I do know they have a vested interest in promoting certain aspects of this.

[00:52:30] And one of the ones that they seem to have and I'm talking of course about the military intelligence community,

[00:52:36] one of the most noticeable things they have in mind with this is the push for this extraterrestrial hypothesis.

[00:52:50] You see they want to keep that idea alive for various reasons, not only to cover up some of their own covert operations

[00:53:01] but it probably also has to do with the setting up of this control grid that they're attempting to put in place in this world.

[00:53:16] And of course the military always has ties back to that small select few people that really steer and manipulate things at the top of the power structure in this world.

[00:53:29] Some call them the cabal and I hate that term.

[00:53:34] I hate that term because it's a pokin'ly eye.

[00:53:39] Cabal.

[00:53:42] You see the dark occultists who run things in this world at the very tippy top levels of the power structure.

[00:53:49] They like to mock you and make fun of you and put it out there in plain sight for you to see.

[00:53:55] So the mere fact that you call them the cabal referencing cabal is a pokin'ly eye because that is most certainly one of the main aspects,

[00:54:07] main occult concepts that they often underlie all of their programming motifs with cabal.

[00:54:14] And they are the cabal and they chose this name on purpose as a pokin'ly eye for you and that's why you'll see a lot of people refer to the cabal

[00:54:24] when I hate that term because that gives them pleasure to hear people refer to them as such.

[00:54:32] It gives them a chuckle, you see they like to laugh at you.

[00:54:38] But that's beside the point but the whole notion here is they will utilize some of these different types of disinformation narratives

[00:54:48] to keep the mystery alive and to keep the human mind focused in places that it shouldn't necessarily be focused if it wants to find the truth.

[00:54:59] It's an unresolving cul-de-sac once you get involved in looking into the UFO research community or the Uphology community.

[00:55:09] It never resolves, it's a mystery within an enigma and that's what it is when you get delving down that path.

[00:55:18] And like I said, I think it has more to do with the nature of consciousness and the nature of reality itself more so than anything else at the heart of all of it.

[00:55:29] But there are certainly human programs and technologies that are being developed under the cover of this phenomenon.

[00:55:38] Let's read on, so next it says top secret.

[00:55:42] The mystery of what did or did not happen at Kecksburg on that 1965 day continues to survive and thrive nearly half a century after it occurred.

[00:55:51] The event was accorded a huge amount of publicity and even notoriety.

[00:55:56] One might be inclined to say in 2003 when none other than the sci-fi channel, now known as sci-fi, spelled differently,

[00:56:04] decided to get involved in trying to finally unravel the complexities of the near 50-year-old mystery from beyond the cosmos.

[00:56:14] As a direct result of the sci-fi channel's actions, it wouldn't be very long at all before NASA found itself up in its collective neck in the Kecksburg Quagmire 2.

[00:56:25] One area quickly addressed by the sci-fi channel when it got hot on the trail of this story was whether or not the Kecksburg affair could have been linked in some, not entirely clear fashion,

[00:56:37] with the reentry into the Earth's atmosphere of the Soviet Union's cosmos 96 satellite that did indeed occur on the same day.

[00:56:46] Certainly the satellite was somewhat acorn-shaped in appearance, which in the eyes and minds of some UFO researchers and a number of eyewitnesses at least did offer a certain degree of credence and merit to that particular theory.

[00:57:00] There is however a very big problem with the notion that the US military clandestinely retrieved the Russian vehicle from the woods outside of Kecksburg.

[00:57:10] Cosmos 96 actually crashed on Canadian territory a number of hours before the Kecksburg events kicked, even kicked off.

[00:57:19] And to reinforce this point in a 2003 interview, the chief scientist for Orbital Debris at the NASA Johnson Space Center, Nicholas L. Johnson said forthrightly, quote,

[00:57:32] I can tell you categorically that there is no way that any debris from Cosmos 96 could have landed in Pennsylvania anywhere around 4.45pm.

[00:57:42] That's an absolute orbital mechanics is very strict, end quote.

[00:57:48] So I'm going to pause for a moment there.

[00:57:53] So now NASA gets involved many years later, giving you this same backed up story as to the official blue book report.

[00:58:04] No, it couldn't have been that.

[00:58:06] And of course the claim is made that Cosmos 96 actually crashed in Canada hours before.

[00:58:12] Did it really? Well, who retrieved it then?

[00:58:17] Does the Canadian government have that? Do they have a record of that of retrieving that?

[00:58:25] Is there some record there? Well, it doesn't go into detail about that. Does it?

[00:58:32] But here once again, they will parade the quote unquote expert or authority into public view.

[00:58:40] And they tell you absolutely it cannot be that because such and such year will tell you 30 years after the fact now.

[00:58:53] 40 years, nearly 40 years after the fact that it crashed in Canada this Cosmos 96 satellite crashed in Canada hours before the Kecksburg event.

[00:59:03] We'll tell you that now. We didn't tell you that then.

[00:59:08] We just had blue book tell you it couldn't have been that.

[00:59:12] But now we have more details some 40 years later, somehow they know.

[00:59:18] Now are there records that exist of this retrieval of this object in Canada? I don't know.

[00:59:24] I've never seen them if they do exist.

[00:59:30] But once again, they have to discount the obvious answer to keep the mystery alive.

[00:59:38] And you'll notice it's the sci-fi channel that was bringing this back into relevance and that should tell you something science fiction fiction.

[00:59:51] They want to tell you a story. They want to keep the mythos alive.

[00:59:56] It's a production. Many of these entertainment platforms television channels, they have connections to the intelligence community and sometimes they're fed little things that they want disseminated out there.

[01:00:16] And sometimes they are influenced. They're writing teams are influenced by certain assets of the intelligence community.

[01:00:30] So this was put into the public view for a reason at that time.

[01:00:36] And now it's introducing some new elements to the story to reinforce some of the old ideas.

[01:00:43] Not only reinforce some of the old ideas, but the division between the way that people perceive this.

[01:00:49] Some people will say they'll point their finger and they'll be NASA. NASA is now actively covering up this event.

[01:00:57] And then they'll say, what does this mean?

[01:01:20] And of course now the official explanation is no, it couldn't have been this Russian satellite that crashed there.

[01:01:27] It's not that, it's something else. So this once again gets the imagination going.

[01:01:34] It's an unknown once again. So therefore it keeps questions open.

[01:01:41] The notion or the possibility of an extraterrestrial craft crashing there as a real possibility in the mind's eye for the viewer.

[01:01:51] Because you see the expert, the authority figure came out and said nope. It wasn't it most definitely was not the cosmos 96 satellite that crashed there.

[01:02:01] Even though in all probability, Occam's razor would say that's most likely what it was.

[01:02:09] Strangely enough, but anyway we see this.

[01:02:14] And now we have the sci fi channel giving testimony here to that.

[01:02:21] Let's read on it says in addition to addressing the potential cosmos 96 connection.

[01:02:26] There was a determined push by the sci fi channel to encourage NASA to release any and all official documentation on the Kecksberg affair

[01:02:38] that might conceivably be contained within its impressive bulging decades old archives as a direct result of this push for information in November of 2003.

[01:02:50] More than three dozen pages of Kecksberg based material were finally released into the public domain by NASA personnel going to pause for a moment here folks.

[01:03:01] Now logically if we go back and we look at what happened NASA didn't have anything to do with the recovery efforts of anything that may have crashed in Kecksberg.

[01:03:16] Didn't have anything to do with the reporting you see that was all under the auspices of project blue book which was never a NASA program.

[01:03:26] Never had any connection to NASA.

[01:03:29] The military, the army that allegedly or Air Force that allegedly retrieved whatever crashed there didn't have a connection to NASA.

[01:03:39] Why does NASA have the files and records? Well it doesn't this is more contrivance folks this is more of how disinformation works NASA did not have a vested interest in the Kecksberg event.

[01:03:55] The only interest they might have is if it was truly a meteorite or something as what the official explanation was given.

[01:04:05] Maybe they were just looking at data relating to something astronomical like that.

[01:04:14] That would be the only thing they would have but let's see what in the world.

[01:04:20] NASA's information was in 2003 that they put forward under the behest of the sci fi channel.

[01:04:29] That was made and released to the public domain by NASA personnel not necessarily NASA itself but NASA personnel it says here.

[01:04:40] It says unfortunately in despite initial encouraging hopes to the contrary, the papers at issue failed to shed any form of real meaningful light on what did or did not actually occur on the afternoon of December 9th 1965.

[01:04:55] A similar search undertaken by NASA personnel in the summer of 2006 turned up the same lack of information.

[01:05:02] I'm going to pause for a moment here. Gee what a surprise! Let's send what we largely view as the in the public as the main hub of all things related to space.

[01:05:15] Let's send them searching for information on this and see what they could come up with and wouldn't you know they come up with nothing.

[01:05:24] Nothing of importance whatsoever nothing that sheds any light on the mystery of what happened and this is all by design of course.

[01:05:31] Of course. Let's read on so next portion here says classified.

[01:05:38] It was therefore just about the right time to take things to a whole new and unique level on March 27th 2007.

[01:05:48] United States judge Emmett G Sullivan signed off on a civil action against NASA that had been initiated by a sleuth like Kecksburg researcher.

[01:05:59] Namely the director of investigations of the coalition for freedom of information, Leslie Keene going to pause for a moment here folks.

[01:06:07] Leslie Keene another UFO researcher that seems to crop up.

[01:06:13] On quite a number of occasions in many of these different UFO stories.

[01:06:20] I don't know what to make of Leslie Keene, I'll be honest.

[01:06:27] But it seems strange that it's always some of the same central research figures that turn up with a lot of these stories.

[01:06:37] Don't get me wrong. I think the Freedom of Information Act is a very important thing going forward.

[01:06:44] And it's a process that's not easy to undertake and some researchers have done so.

[01:06:52] But we see now there's a lawsuit allegedly here that's been put forward a civil action, not necessarily a lawsuit, a civil action.

[01:07:03] That was signed by Judge Emmett G Sullivan at the behest of Leslie Keene.

[01:07:10] Let's read on the purpose of this new approach was to finally try and secure public access to any and all files, records, documents, and memoranda held by NASA on that Kecksburg crash with the hope of eventually revealing what it really was that came down in those Pennsylvania woods all those years ago.

[01:07:29] And what NASA really knew of the tumultuous affair.

[01:07:33] The ultimate battle between NASA and the public UFO research community as it related to the crash at Kecksburg at least was now decisively underway.

[01:07:44] The civil action was filled with page after page of nearly mind-numbing legal speak, but did highlight a number of important points including.

[01:07:53] First of all, contradictory statements that NASA had made relative to its files or more correctly it's pronounced lack of files on the Kecksburg affair.

[01:08:03] Number two, Keene's deep-seated concerns about the less than satisfactory ways in which NASA had conducted its searches for relevant documentation on the events of December 9, 1965.

[01:08:15] And number three, what appeared to many researchers to be highly suspicious actions on the part of NASA to try and thwart any and all attempts to successfully open up the Kecksburg can of worms.

[01:08:27] So I'm going to pause for a moment here folks.

[01:08:30] So essentially this soared more distrust into the government and into NASA by the people and especially by the UFO researchers.

[01:08:43] So what does this mean? Well if you have distrust in this organization which by the way NASA is a known and proven wire again and again on many different things.

[01:09:00] So when you have these seeds of distrust soared even harder into that well that creates in the minds of the uphology community a more resounding notion that they are covering something up they are being disingenuous and that in their minds I gives more credence to the idea that perhaps there is an extra terrestrial aspect to this.

[01:09:27] So this is largely what was sewn into the social fabric with this action. But let's read on.

[01:09:38] The pro-UFO research community was still very far from being finished however and continued valiantly to do battle with NASA.

[01:09:47] In November 2009 Leslie Keen revealed the latest in this seemingly never-ending saga and focused her attention upon NASA's curiously absent documentation on Kecksburg and the issue of files that deliberately or mistakenly NASA had possibly destroyed.

[01:10:06] Keen herself admitted when summing up the strange and unearthly situation still facing her quote.

[01:10:12] Without additional very extensive work we'll never know the answers and even with the work we still might never know and quote.

[01:10:19] So I'm gonna pause for a moment here. Like I said folks a never-ending call to sack keep you spinning in circles

[01:10:27] to keep you spinning in circles never coming to any plausible resolution.

[01:10:33] That's what uphology is intended for it is a psi op.

[01:10:40] Now does that discredit any real phenomenon behind any of this? No, it does not.

[01:10:48] But you see the whole field of re-UFO research has been weaponized as a psi op.

[01:10:56] Even to those very serious researchers like Leslie Keen.

[01:11:02] Now here's the problem.

[01:11:05] So Keen says that on the issue of the Kecksburg files that NASA has they were either deliberately or mistakenly possibly destroyed.

[01:11:14] Is that right? Maybe they never existed in the first place because maybe NASA didn't collect any information on it.

[01:11:22] But once again you're given this narrative that there's these missing files perhaps they destroyed them or covered them up.

[01:11:34] And that would imply that they had a very nefarious reason for covering this up and destroying these files.

[01:11:42] You see how it soothes the seeds of doubt in your mind? When the reality might be maybe NASA didn't have anything on it to begin with.

[01:11:51] That seems the more plausible explanation doesn't it? They weren't present

[01:12:00] at the initial event itself. They had no vested interest in exploring the event.

[01:12:08] According to the media reports, the only organization that took action was perhaps the Air Force sent three people out.

[01:12:21] To check the woods.

[01:12:24] And the eyewitness reports of course dispute that but it's all caught up in the air of mystery and it's to keep the secret alive.

[01:12:36] To keep the UFO mythos moving forward.

[01:12:40] To keep the extraterrestrial hypothesis front and center once again.

[01:12:47] And the government cover up thereof.

[01:12:51] Well as the government covering things up certainly are they covering up the presence of aliens? I don't know.

[01:12:59] Doesn't seem logical though when you view this from the standard that they usually represent to the public this Occam's razor methodology.

[01:13:12] The logical explanation would be the cosmos 96 satellite as to something being recovered there if it was indeed recovered.

[01:13:24] That would be the logical explanation according to Occam's razor but of course that doesn't promote distrust in the government.

[01:13:32] That doesn't promote this extraterrestrial hypothesis.

[01:13:41] You see, without this narrative people might go poking around into projects that they otherwise wouldn't.

[01:13:53] If they realize that there was nothing to this extraterrestrial hypothesis.

[01:14:00] And this doesn't necessarily mean there's nothing to that hypothesis.

[01:14:05] I certainly don't have the answers to that.

[01:14:08] But what I do know is like I said, the idea has been weaponized as a siop to keep people searching down this avenue of thought because you see

[01:14:21] the ones that have an interest in covering up whatever it is they're covering up.

[01:14:27] They know that you're never going to come to an adequate resolution by exploring that path.

[01:14:35] You're never going to come to a confirmed answer ever.

[01:14:41] Like I said, it's a never ending cul-de-sac to keep you spinning in circles coming to no resolution

[01:14:47] getting no closer to the truth.

[01:14:52] Is it an interesting topic for sure? Is it fascinating to think about yes? Is it fun to think about yes?

[01:15:00] But are you going to be able to arrive at an adequate conclusion by looking at this? No, you're not.

[01:15:11] Case in point right here with Leslie Keene getting this civil action against NASA.

[01:15:18] What did it produce? Nothing!

[01:15:21] It produced nothing and it still has people questioning even further and digging deeper into this dead end.

[01:15:30] You're not going to find out anything about what happened at Kexberg you're never going to get any closer to the truth about it.

[01:15:36] There's never going to be a resolution especially if you're going to NASA to find out.

[01:15:42] I think it's the wrong organization to go to looking for records on this.

[01:15:49] But that's where uphology culture has focused their attention for one reason or another.

[01:15:56] You see it misdirects people to the wrong places.

[01:16:00] The wrong organizations.

[01:16:05] It's all part of the SIOP folks.

[01:16:08] So now the attention is focused on NASA. NASA is lying to us about this. NASA is not the ones who are involved.

[01:16:17] How did it wind up being NASA as the focus? Well, it's all part of the SIOP like I said.

[01:16:25] But let's continue on here and we're going to wrap it up real soon.

[01:16:31] Confidential.

[01:16:34] Despite the fact that today the Kexberg affair still continues to languish in a twilight realm,

[01:16:40] that some sea is being dominated by deep conspiracy, a crashed UFO,

[01:16:45] and its dead alien crew, and others view as the combined results of bureaucracy and a meteorite.

[01:16:51] Kean said after the confrontation with NASA was finally at an end that she was still convinced something crashed at Kexberg.

[01:16:58] And it was not the former Soviet Union's Cosmos 96, nor any other form of Russian device.

[01:17:05] Kean also considered it unlikely that the Kexberg affair could be successfully explained as a secret American space capsule of some sort.

[01:17:14] For some, Kexberg was and certainly still is much ado about not much at all.

[01:17:21] At the very most, a bit of space debris entering the Earth's atmosphere.

[01:17:25] For others such as Stan Gordon and Leslie Kean however,

[01:17:29] Kexberg is one case that perhaps more than any other might very well prove to the world at large.

[01:17:35] That NASA secretly has in its possession demonstrable evidence that extraterrestrial life has visited our world, has crashed here,

[01:17:44] and may even have died here too.

[01:17:47] Whatever the strange truth of the matter may one day prove to be, it seems highly unlikely that the controversy surrounding the case is destined to go away any time in the foreseeable future.

[01:17:58] The final word for now goes to a highly prestigious source.

[01:18:02] John Podesta, who was President Bill Clinton's former Chief of Staff and a member of the 1997 Moynihan Commission on protecting and reducing government secrecy.

[01:18:15] He specifically said of the Kexberg saga of December 1965, and of Leslie Kean's valiant attempts to secure the facts, whatever they may be and wherever they may lead from NASA.

[01:18:26] He said, quote, it's time to find out what the truth really is that's out there.

[01:18:31] We ought to do it because it's right.

[01:18:33] We ought to do it because the American people quite frankly can handle the truth, and we ought to do it because it's the law in, quote.

[01:18:41] And of course that's coming from John Podesta.

[01:18:46] John Podesta, you know that guy that went to the spirit cooking parties of Marina Abramovich,

[01:18:52] and seems to have connections to underground human trafficking and open satanic things at any rate.

[01:19:08] You know this is a real bastion of morality, isn't it?

[01:19:12] And he's saying this, of course he served under Bill Clinton too,

[01:19:17] and Podesta is well known in the Uphology community, that a lot of people claim that he was looking and digging for disclosure on the UFO topic,

[01:19:28] and it's one of the things that's in his wheelhouse of interest.

[01:19:33] I don't know. Just another guy who's shady to distrust about this.

[01:19:41] And of course you'll notice that once again in the book here

[01:19:45] Redfern putting the Onus on NASA

[01:19:57] because that of course is who Leslie Keene put the Onus on and Stan Gordon.

[01:20:06] The two that were heavily vested in this Kecksburg account, and we heard of course Leslie Keene still thinks something big happened there.

[01:20:14] Despite any evidence to support that.

[01:20:19] You see there's lack of evidence, so is lack of evidence evidence for an event having happened?

[01:20:26] No it's not, it's hearsay.

[01:20:29] Maybe something did happen. The only evidence we have is we know what we've seen as the public reports initially,

[01:20:35] and we know the rumors that have circulated in the Uphology community that have nothing substantial to back them up.

[01:20:44] Certainly we just went through this whole portion of the book here that Redfern wrote,

[01:20:51] and there's reference made to perhaps alien bodies being recovered there or live aliens.

[01:20:57] But nowhere do we see any testimony talking about that.

[01:21:02] Nowhere do we see evidence pointing to that.

[01:21:07] It's a big nothing burger folks, and that's what a lot of this stuff usually winds up being when you actually dig into the roots of all of it.

[01:21:18] You find out that maybe something happened.

[01:21:22] There's a little air of mystery to it, but much of what has emerged around it in popular culture.

[01:21:32] And in uphology culture that is accepted fact by many in the UFO community is all based on nothing.

[01:21:42] It's a fabricated story by and large.

[01:21:46] And it's pushed and promoted by doing things like coming out and taking civil action against organizations like NASA who had nothing to do with it,

[01:21:56] who deny having any records on it because they probably don't.

[01:22:00] And then you say, aha see I told you they're covering this up something big happened there.

[01:22:06] And you see how you get spinning your wheels going down that never ending cold asack.

[01:22:17] And like I said, I'm sure there's some good well meaning UFO researchers out there that fall into this trap.

[01:22:24] Perhaps unknowingly, and they think they're making headway and they want to get to that disclosure.

[01:22:31] But when it comes out, hey there's no evidence.

[01:22:37] Then they cry cover up and it keeps the wheels turning again and again.

[01:22:46] Yes, sometimes I witness information can be important.

[01:22:51] Sometimes it's relevant. Sometimes they are telling the truth of what it is that they perceive as the truth.

[01:22:58] What they claim to have seen or what they know from their perspective.

[01:23:06] Or sometimes they're being disingenuous with you.

[01:23:10] We don't know and sometimes these eyewitnesses don't even exist at all, they're just a fabrication of the intelligence community.

[01:23:20] And that's the problem especially if you have inside whistleblower testimony

[01:23:26] from an unrevealed source in many of these cases.

[01:23:32] How credible is that information?

[01:23:36] Well like I said, that's the catch 22 because sometimes if you do have somebody that is involved in a secret program or something whose life may be in danger by disclosing aspects of it,

[01:23:47] you don't want to disclose their identity.

[01:23:50] This creates a perfect catch 22 and it creates this air of plausible deniability by officialdom.

[01:23:58] So it's not practical, it's not reliable

[01:24:02] and it doesn't serve a useful purpose at all.

[01:24:09] It leads to non-resolution.

[01:24:14] It leads you down the never-ending path.

[01:24:20] Deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole that never resolves because you will never find adequate resolution therein

[01:24:28] too many of these types of events because they are obscured on purpose

[01:24:34] and they are used as a type of siop

[01:24:40] to so distrust into people's minds

[01:24:46] and to so in the possibility that there is a cover-up

[01:24:50] and oftentimes there truly is a cover-up of sorts but it's not usually covering up what you think it is.

[01:24:58] Now like I said as far as this Kexberg UFO incident goes,

[01:25:03] the logical Occam's razor explanation would be

[01:25:08] that what crashed in Kexberg was the wreckage of this Cosmos 96 satellite and they wanted to keep that under wraps for some reason.

[01:25:20] That's the logical answer.

[01:25:23] It's the most simple answer

[01:25:27] and that's the one they lead you away from the most, isn't it?

[01:25:32] Well I don't know what the reasoning is behind that

[01:25:36] but certainly we know they're being deceptive about the disclosure of this event

[01:25:44] and this is just one example of many in the UFO field, in the U-Fology field, the U-Fology movement.

[01:25:54] A lot of it is contrived and steered by agendas

[01:26:02] from those within the intelligence community that have a vested interest in covering something up.

[01:26:09] And it's probably not extra terrestrial biological entities crashing their spaceships on Earth folks, let's put it that way.

[01:26:16] Maybe something way deeper than that or it may be something more simplistic.

[01:26:21] I don't have the answer

[01:26:24] but I do know that they're being disingenuous with us and what we see put out there in the UFO field in the U-Fology culture

[01:26:33] oftentimes is disinformation

[01:26:36] from the highest most levels

[01:26:40] and it keeps these people spinning in circles

[01:26:44] going down a path that never resolves looking in all the wrong places

[01:26:48] like going to NASA for records on something that NASA wasn't present for and had no vested interest in exploring

[01:26:56] and yet they're the culprits aren't they? Always

[01:27:00] because it relates to space

[01:27:03] so NASA therefore must have files on it.

[01:27:05] Oh okay, yeah if you say so

[01:27:08] NASA's a front organization, the PR firm

[01:27:12] public relations it's to keep people distracted and looking in all the wrong places for answers

[01:27:18] to different questions

[01:27:21] when you recognize that your whole world view changes

[01:27:25] especially as it pertains to this kind of thing

[01:27:30] but anyway folks that's all the time we have for today

[01:27:34] I want to thank you all for tuning in

[01:27:37] I appreciate each and every one of you and we'll catch you here next time

[01:27:40] have a good one now

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